Little better but not quite there - 2020 Summer Transfer Thread

Ever since his second or third season?? You mean the season where he recorded 19 league assists? BTW when you say “ But at the time of his signing I was just about as pumped as anyone, and I thought he + Alexis showed such a statement of intent”, I don’t know if it was your intention, but it suggests they arrived together or that Alexis was here when 0zil was signed. In fact, Alexis didn’t arrive until the next summer. All of which suggests you have a short memory.

 

Ozil may have been the wrong signing, but it would have been more about fit than his quality or performance. He was very very good and was priced very well.

 

Alexis is the one who sucks

 

Chill dude. You are making way too many assumptions about my memory and putting way too many words into my mouth. I never said they arrived in the same window, nor was that even really implied by what I wrote. I have always known that these 2 "big signings" arrived one after the other, in successive seasons and that was all I was citing as the club's "statement of intent"

As for which season I started to realize that we weren't getting the optimal performance (thus value) from him, I wrote 2nd or 3rd because that's what I recollected. I know it was a couple of years after he arrived that the feelings about Mesut began to sour. And I certainly don't track his stats, but if I did I probably wouldn't base his total value on his assists record, as valuable as that might be.

Anyway this whole discussion stems from a comment made about Wenger doing "bargain basement" deals, and Ozil was brought up as one of the counter points to that. I guess his transfer fee could be considered by some to be a bargain as @chjoak and @bandwagongooner suggest, but it certainly was a very big outlay in the history of our signings. And I suspect you & I are never going to agree on his ultimate value or worth to our club. So be it.

 

If we wanted good money, we missed the window. Laca's lackluster season indicates we will be lucky to get the fee we paid for him. Auba's price will be probably 40m as he is aging and the world is full of young upcoming CFs who are more appealing. Barca needed a CF after the Suarez injury but that chance is gone.

 

Sadly I suspect you are probably right. We probably don't possess any cash cow right now. Maybe Martinelli might become one but it's way too early to project that.

 

Ozil is a great player

but he is a guy u add to an elite side. We have never been elite so even though he was excellent, our midfield and defence was never good enough to cater to a ten (means our midfield was always outnumbered and never good enough)

sanchez was the wrong player for him too

if we signed auba 2 years before we did, it may of worked a lot better

 

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Upamecano not renewing his Leipzig contract, will be available for €60 million (release clause) this summer.

 

Let’s see what happens with mouri as we will need to shift a cb for upa and we still lack in other areas

no one knows what will happen with auba and laca etc and ozil has to be gone

 

Sounds like he wants to go to PL, doesn't want to stay in Bundesliga. That could mean City but I still think we have a shout

 

Once again you have asserted that you began to sour on Ozil a couple (2) of years after he arrived. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, his third season was the season in which he provided 19 premier league assists, if you began to sour on him at that point I suspect you were all alone. If instead, you are suggesting it was within a few years of arrival, say that.

I used to write and also edit a lot of technical reports, so I’m a literalist, which leads me to the next point. When you say “at the time of his signing I was just about as pumped as anyone,” and then include “and I thought he + Alexis showed such a statement of intent” in the same sentence that can be interpreted as, that at the time of Ozil’s signing you thought he and Alexis were a statement of intent. If you weren’t confused about who came first, you should have separated your statement into two sentences. I also qualified my interpretation of this sentence by saying “I didn’t know if it was your intention”

 

I already explained what I meant so what you're doing is really quite pointless. This is BigSoccer... a fan forum. Where you could spend 168 hours every week ripping apart the many thousands of new posts, finding flaws in grammar, composition, logic, whatever. But to what end? We're not writing legal treaties here. We're discussing a sport, and and a team we mutually support.

 

hows he done this year?

 

I almost wrote I know I’m nitpicking, but I do have a point. I believe at least 90% of the souring on Ozil occurred after he signed his new contract, not because of his transfer fee.