Libertarian Fail

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    I’ll give you three guesses
     
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  2. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    He never was. It was always Shuh-sheff-skee, with his still-undenied comments about Bill Clinton.

    No matter how many titles he wins, he'll never get the stink of losing to a Black man in '94 off his family name. Nolan Richardson's men stood tall as humble Arkansas pissed on the Blueblood Devils from a great height.
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    4 cuss words in one short description. Maybe a new record:

    Rep. Thomas Massie, a conservative libertarian Republican from Kentucky, attracted the ire Friday of his congressional colleagues and President Donald Trump, who urged his party to “throw Massie out” of the GOP.
     
  4. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
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    M-A-R-Y-L-A-N-D Maryland will win.
     
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  5. TheJoeGreene

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    MARYland will win nothing other than the Jackée Harry memorial trophy.
     
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  6. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Jackee is still alive! And the Dance has been cancelled...
     
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  7. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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  8. taylor

    taylor Member+

    Jun 9, 2000
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    Dont forget Darth Vader Cheney, in top picks!
     
  9. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Who in the name of Vince McMahon is this?
     
  10. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    Watch Netflix's The Tiger King. You'll thank me for the recommendation.
     
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  11. dapip

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    Sep 5, 2003
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  12. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    OK, so libertarians are subject to some social controls; now, who is approved to compel any who say that they are not, and are going to go to spring break regardless?
     
  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Facts -

    1) A big difference between the 2020 crisis and both the 2008 financial crisis and the Great Depression is that today's banks are in good shape. As a result, they have been able to accept businesses defaulting on their loans, and real estate holders defaulting on their mortgages, without having immediate difficulties. (Some aspects of the CARES bill has helped with that.)

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-16/banks-pretend-2020-never-happened

    2) One big reason that banks are in better shape today is the Dodd-Frank bill, passed after the 2008 financial crisis, which strengthened banks' capital requirements.

    3) Republitarians destest Dodd-Frank and have attempted to repeal it since it came out. Rand Paul doesn't like it. Justin Amash doesn't like it. Donald Trump doesn't like it.

    OK that last one was a bit of a joke. But come on, do you really want to hold positions that match Donald Trump's? Think, people.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Amash may make a mad dash because he thinks we spend far too much cash. Will voters accept or bash?

     
  15. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Voters want the cash. I like Amash where he is, he provides a useful viewpoint but I wouldn't want a heavy dose of his beliefs.
     
  16. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    So the largest bank consolidation in just about a century was a good thing?
     
  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Better than 10,000 small, badly capitalized banks going under.
     
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  18. Timon19

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    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Wonder why they were poorly capitalized...

    Also, is it? Is it really?
     
  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Because the less you capitalize a bank, the more profitable it becomes, unless a crisis arrives.

    Absolutely, positively, without question, not even close.

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    I can't think of any industry that has improved so much under regulation. This is where libertarians need to regard their beliefs as guiding principles, not articles of faith, and to stop defending the indefensible. That they cannot illustrates that they will always be a marginal political movement, like the Greens.
     
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  20. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    ...and why is that...?

    Except for the regulation that incentivized a lack of holding of reserves in the first place, right?
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Certainly on that front, we've benefited from the capital requirements, stress tests and the fact that the QE style tools are already in place so that the buyer of last resort can hold assets where the market might panic.

    The fact that tens of thousands of borrowers are going to default on loans, mortgages and commercial leases in the coming weeks is unprecedented - yet there is no panic.

    I agree that part has worked well.
     
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  22. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    The standard math of leverage. Less capital equals more leverage, equals higher profitability if the loans are profitable. During good times, when memories of defaults fade, banks will inevitably lower their capital bases so as to improve profitability. I mean, all businesses take on more risk during the business cycle's peak, that is why we have booms and busts. Banks are no different with that, but the consequences are larger.

    Sure enough, Trump took down part of Dodd-Frank's banking requirements late last year. They always take more risk at the wrong time, and fewer risks at the right time. By "they" I mean the general business community, not the standout smart ones like Buffett (who does the opposite). Of course Trump is a particularly dumb example, which is one reason why he so often declares bankruptcies.

    Then the regulation needs to be fixed, not scrapped. Without oversight, banks will drop their loads when crises hit. They did for centuries, until dragged while complaining into the modern era.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The fact that they hate Dodd-Frank so much also cuts across the narrative that nothing was done about the banking crisis. It actually has been very effective.
     
  24. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Astonishingly well. Smaller problems than these knocked down the dominos in 2008. Read the Levine article, he is very good. (And for Timon too, because at heart Levine is a financial libertarian.)
     
  25. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    So they were incentivized to over-leverage completely independently of any action or regulation imposed on them? I see.

    Oh, so there's an "ideal" reserve requirement at which point our problems will be solved. I see.
     

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