News: Klinsmann on Mexico match - "A damn good result for both teams"

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by appoo, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. napper

    napper Member+

    Jan 14, 2014
    Fullerton
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember Howard being poor in South Aftica. I remember him being great in Brazil.

    I look forward to see how Robles does tomorrow.
     
  2. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Yeah... He was probably a couple yards further out than he should've been. It is a tough one to play as a GK in that he is positioned fine a second earlier when the ball is 40+ yards from goal and he'd need to read there would be a simple pass and no pressure that requires him to take a step or two back. So definitely a bit too far of his line but would say the defending was horrible. There is now way 7 attackers should walk through 8 defenders that easily.
     
  3. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    This, is literally the problem. Klinsmann, with his actions and his words, forced me into a decision of either going into continuous anger, or to not caring about something I've been passionately following since I was 14 years old, the USMNT. My starting this thread is the last 10% that even cares - and I started it because his words about the Mexico match are pathetically symbolic of everything that is wrong with Juergan Klinsmann.

    He lies to us about what he wants to accomplish, he coaches this program like the players are garbage, we're forced to sit through matches where the US just defends, plays awful attacking soccer (almost 100% because of his tactics), and basically pray that one of our star players does someyhing amazing, and then after the match he tells everyone that they're ignorant and stupid, and that what we actually watched was a good result for the USMNT.

    Thus, the choice between anger and apathy. But don't worry, I'll force myself back into apathy soon enough though and you won't have to read my negative posts again, because there's zero chance I'm going to put myself through actuallly caring about the Copa.
     
  4. ATLfirefan

    ATLfirefan Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 8, 2005
    Norcross, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the real problem is that Klinsmann has almost free reign to do whatever he wants because we have him under contract through the 2018 World Cup. We did this BEFORE the 2014 WC, which meant that his performance there was really just for sh*ts and giggles. The Gold Cup? Also not important.

    The 2014 qualifiers were a good run, but we've played consistently more disappointingly since the end of the World Cup and it's because his results don't matter.
     
  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But then why not actually play young teams and try out new players, instead of trotting out the oldest team in history at the CC playoff, and 8 players 30 or older, many of whom he leaned on, during the GC. The friendlies have been underwhelming established player oriented as well. Certainly not coaching like results don't matter. Coaching like just about every game could be his last. Obviously there is a breaking point with any federation. Getting out-shot on your own homefield by Haiti 21-6, Panama 25-5, Honduras 16-5, Costa Rica 15-4, losing to Jamaica, in the newly invented Confed Cup playoff to not get into the Confed Cup, and being mediocre in the first set of WC qualifying games should put any U.s coach close to the edge, no matter how much you fawned over previously, and paid him.
     
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  6. ATLfirefan

    ATLfirefan Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 8, 2005
    Norcross, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with you that after any WC, there is a period of phasing-out; sometimes older players have one last hurrah to finish the year, most of the time younger players are brought in to try them out.

    I think my problem with the tournament was that this one mattered more than others. As did the Confed Cup play-off. Also, we just looked like crap throughout the tournament. That kind of attitude and mentality I attribute to Klinsmann because the lineups had been shuffled so much prior to the tourney and I don't think he effectively communicated to and managed his squad. That's where he's being lazy, IMO.
     
  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I'm optimistic that we'll reap some rewards this year from the disarray we've seen in the last 18 months.
     
  8. coldfusion

    coldfusion Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    SoFla / SoCal
    Me, too, in the form of JK's being sacked. I only hope it doesn't require failing to qualify.
     
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  9. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    How will he get sacked if we qualify? Isn't that the threshold?
     
  10. coldfusion

    coldfusion Member

    Dec 3, 2003
    SoFla / SoCal
    I keep hope alive, perhaps irrationally.
     
  11. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And not only that, but according to Opta's stats, ranking 12th of 12 teams in the group stage in chances created. Worse than Canada (who went scoreless) and Cuba (who didn't have a clue except in their match against an even more shambolic Guatemala).

    As I've said before, Klinsmann is the only coach I've ever seen who simultaneously experiments too much and fails to bring in new players. Most coaches have one fault or the other to some extent, Klinsmann manages to have both. He did it by calling in a group of players based purely on perceived upside after the 2014 World Cup even though many of them clearly weren't ready for the national team, ignoring everyone else, and then constantly experimenting by mixing and matching the same 20-25 players in new combinations, new positions, and new formations, which kept the players from building any kind of chemistry.
     
  12. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Angkor Siem Reap FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    at the pitch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Back to the thread title, Jurgen can sure spin a bad result. . .

    Poser . . .
     
  13. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    He's not getting fired. If the embarrassment of the Gold Cup followed by the pathetic showing against mexico didn't get him fired, then the only thing will be failing to qualify for the world cup
     
  14. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    I dunno - unsatisfactory results in the next couple qualifiers plus open player discontentment might be enough to do it. The hex looks fairly competitive this time around, so a lack of clear superiority against (terrible) Guatemala would be raise some pretty serious alarms. Plus, there's five months between our March qualifiers and the next ones.
     

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