Kids who aren't citizens, aren't close, and #!*%! immigration...

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Real Corona, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Personally, I believe that all those stories about poor immigrants that aren't able to play as they can't pay for soccer are total bullshit. In SoCal every good player who can't pay will play for free. Clubs will fight for those kids they will find a way to bring them to practices if needed.
     
  2. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    What happens in SoCal is in no way reflection of other parts of the country. In So Cal to be brown is to be average and to have a foreign accent is completely normal. To be rich or poor is normal and to be different is normal. In other places this is not necessarily the case. Instead of throwing ALL of those stories in the garbage and calling ALL those people liars, maybe you should open yourself up to the idea that your understanding and experience is not one size fits all and that yes, perhaps some of these people are telling the truth.
     
  3. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In what way to you mean they're garbage?
     
  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One factor enters in when a player is granted a scholarship... often that means the parents of the other kids pay more for the player to take away playing time from their sons and they are very aware of it. It doesn't work in every situation.
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yup. Plus........................how do you train/develop in order to get good enough that a club which provides scholarships notices you?

    I will say, though, that we're a capitalist country. Everything costs money. If your kid wants to play the violin, or be in the Boy Scouts, or play tennis, or do whatever....................its going to cost money. It just depends who's paying for it. And yes, that means lower income folks have fewer opportunities. It doesn't matter if we're talking about soccer or any other activity.

    Pro clubs (like MLS, NASL, etc.) have the money. That's who can afford to provide development opportunities for free. They generate revenue. Of course these pro clubs aren't doing it as charity. They're doing it to develop talent for their first teams (or future revenue from player sales). But local youth clubs? How do they operate without people paying for it? There are only so many car washes and bake sales that a group can have. Even non-MLS DA clubs struggle with this. And what are they developing the talent for? They're not making money in the end by selling the players on. [The USSF is dead-set against these types of training fees it seems.] So how, might I ask, does Buttscratch United in Denton, Texas afford to operate? How do they pay coaches and maintain fields and pay for travel and pay for uniforms and on and on? Buttscratch United has to charge fees. Duh. And that means that folks that can't pay those fees either can't play or somebody else has to pay for them (via a scholarship, etc.).
     
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  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    the god of yanks abroad, Dave M-N suggested I post there here.

    SCOTUS just struck down a portion of the US citizenship law where, for kids born to US dad's abroad, the dad had to live in the US longer than a mom would have had to in order for the kid to have citizenship.

    It lowers the time from 5 years to 1 year, if I read it correctly. Dunno if this affects andy potential US kids (and not sure I'm even reading it right.) But lawyers have at it.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/polit...rt-citizenship0456PMStoryLink&linkId=38616092
     
  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  10. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    His dad played for Wigan, Hull, the Rapids and FC Dallas. Did the kid play at different clubs than where his old man played?
     
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  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah, he's a forward..................but he's so young that I don't think he's ever even played for the FCD U12s or U13s. Certainly not in the DA with the U14s. The Honduran press seems to have latched onto him as some sort of "wonderkid," but all of that is sooooooooooooooo premature with a kid that age.

    Those lower levels of the FCD youth teams are like a "who's who" of MLS players' kids.
    There's Santiago Ferreira, for instance :)
     
  12. TarHeels17

    TarHeels17 Member+

    Jan 10, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is that Jesus's son?
     
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
  14. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fairly irrelevant to that but I remember about 15 years ago we played a tournament in Spokane and like one of our worst players got a scholarship offer to a college in Kansas just because he was the tallest player on our team.
     
  15. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't teach height!
     
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  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Who among us doesn't have a story like this, in which the moral of the story is that we should've practiced harder? ;)
     
  17. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Drank more milk! Sorry just remember we played a team from Idaho lol
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there's a separate thread for possibly-USMNT-eligible kids of professional soccer players, but I can't find it...

    Do we know if Javier Morales' son Santiago Morales is a US citizen, or close to being one?
    Morales came to MLS in 2007, so I'm guessing his son wasn't born here...

    ACADEMY: Santiago Morales Follows His Father's Footsteps

    Edit:

    https://www.fcdallas.com/players/santi-morales

    Santi Morales
    Midfielder
    27
    Real Name: Santiago Morales
    HT: 4' 6" WT: 60
    Age: 10 (02/09/2007)
    Birthplace: Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain
    Hometown: Frisco, TX
     
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  19. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The big question will be if Dad (or Mom) has become a citizen already. A child can't naturalize without a parent before age 18.
     
  20. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morales got a green card in 2012. Who knows if they have started the process to become US citizens.
     
  21. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


    Diego, Buddy. Who is your agent and why is he so inadequate that you think you’re eligible?
     
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  22. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man it amazes me how uninformed these guys are about their own profession.
     
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  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We say this all the time, but its true.
    The players themselves don't tend to know these FIFA eligibility rules.

    Its up to their representation to not let them down in this regard. We on this board all knew that the second he stepped on the field in that CONMEBOL U20 Championships tournament that he would never be eligible for the US. How could he not? Its not really explainable, but its true.
     
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  24. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Soon after he got his Green Card, Diego was complaining that no one was telling him what was happening in his process to get US citizenship. He seemed to have no clue that he needed to just wait until the clock ran out and that there was no quick path to be granted citizenship just because USSF might want him to play for the USMNT. Diego doesn't seem very good with process and details.
     
  25. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    It's sufficiently hard to believe that Fagundez doesn't know all this by now that one wonders whether this was simply a bid to get Uruguay thinking about him again. Can't blame him.
     
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