Kasey Keller

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Ronaldinho, Sep 3, 2002.

  1. Ronaldinho

    Ronaldinho New Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Guildford UK
    On one of the channels I think it is ITV or BBC 2 (london news) over here, they are using a new computer OPTA index to rate players in london and then they name the Opta index player of the month and the final rankings for August are:
    Thierry Henry 3rd.
    KASEY KELLER 2nd
    Wiltord 1st.
    The announcer stated that Keller's good form was the reason why that other London team was top of the league. this will hopefuly be the only time that team will be top.
     
  2. denalimn

    denalimn New Member

    Jun 17, 2002
    Minnesota
    makes you wonder why he sat so much last year, and why he was the #2 going into this season.
     
  3. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    Because Hoddle is a bit dense?
     
  4. Mustang2000

    Mustang2000 New Member

    Sep 2, 2000
    Kent, England
    Not really, Sullivan is a good keeper who is the Scottish number one and was Spurs first choice when Keller arrived. I also think Keller is good and has done well so far this season.
     
  5. MadSirAlexxx

    MadSirAlexxx Member

    Mar 21, 2002
    More likely his spiritualist advised against it. ;)
     
  6. mattjo

    mattjo Member+

    Feb 3, 2001
    Washington DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just a clarification,but I wanted to get this straight in my head so they are using the OPTA system but are solely evaluating players that play for clubs based in London (ie. all divisions, etc.)?
     
  7. mik_smith

    mik_smith New Member

    Feb 5, 2001
    London
    The Opta stats are basically really detailed fantasy football stats -- points or deductions for things like passes, fouls, shots, tackles, etc., etc. They're interesting, but hardly definitive. Still good for Kasey.

    You can see more at:

    http://www.planetfootball.com/optamizer/totw.asp?PID=1&CPID=8&title=English+Barclaycard+Premiership

    FWIW: I think players on possession teams, plus the good players on mediocre teams, seem to get extra credit b/c they have a lot of touches -- see John Collins at Fulham who was rated very highly -- even if they don't accomplish much.).
     
  8. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    If you think these OPTA ratings mean anything........

    http://www.planetfootball.com/optamizer/totw.asp?PID=3&CPID=8&SID=3&LID=317&article=59477

    Sullivan was 6th in goalkeepers, Friedel 10th. (Keller not mentioned, probably because he didn't play enough games)

    Keller came in towards the end of last season because Sullivan had a few bad games in Spring, eg international v France, FA Cup 1/4 final v Chelsea. Until then Sullivan had been a pretty good keeper for Spurs and Scotland, so this is why Keller and Rab Douglas had to wait for their chances respectively.
     
  9. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Kasey Keller

    Well of course, an American has to get in line behind a Scotsman given Scotland's glorious record of making the World Cup quarter finals numerous times.

    Seriously, Sullivan was the incumbent and Hoddle, like many coaches, is conservative and waits longer than those of us with no responsibility would like to try new things.
     
  10. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    Just because Scotland are a bad team as a whole now, doesn't mean that they have bad players in every position.

    Equally, just because USA are a good team as a whole now, doesn't mean that they have good players in every position.


    Other examples:


    1. Would you say that there is a better American left winger than Ryan Giggs?

    Yet Wales haven't qualified for anything recently despite having Giggs in their team, so he must be a bad player, using your logic.



    2. Would you say that there are better American strikers than Andrei Shevchenko?

    Yet Ukraine haven't qualified for anything recently despite having Shevchenko in their team, so he must be a bad player, again using your logic.
     
  11. Parkhead_Faithful

    Parkhead_Faithful New Member

    Dec 19, 2001
    Glasgow,Scotland
    Sullivan isnt even our number 1 anymore, Rab Douglas has shown himself to be a better keeper at a better level.
     
  12. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    :rolleyes:

    (I do hope that that question was a joke)


    Examples three and four:

    Neither George Weah or George Best qualified for an international tournament in their careers. They must have been really bad players as well, ;).
     
  13. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    Re: Re: Re: Kasey Keller

    funny. not many were screaming for keller to play during the WC but now all of a sudden it's "hoddle is a lunatic! look now! what a moron that hoddle is! playing sullivan over keller last season! keller is having top marks!" that's rediculous. sullivan was one of the reasons they stayed midtable instead of the dumps of the league and keller hadn't exactly been guns 'a blazin' as far as when he came in.

    morale of the story. if it ain't broke don't fix it. in the friendlies hoddle tried something new and it worked. don't say hoddle doesn't know what he's doing. it's his calls (picking up redknapp, making sure his players are very healthy before putting them in, using sherringhams experience to help davies make opportunities.) that have us strong. keller is a quality keeper and he's going to have strong marks. lets just hope it isn't a fluke, eh lads?
     
  14. puddleduck

    puddleduck Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    Providence, RI
    On the other hand, goalkeeping is, arguably, the US's best position. Certainly it is the possition in which American players have recieved the most recognition.

    That of course says nothing about the quality of scottish netminders.
     
  15. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Kasey Keller

    Not me...I was calling Hoddle a moron as early as last September. :)
     
  16. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey cowboy, that isn't my logic. Most would notice that my point was of the tongue-in-cheek variety.

    On the contrary, I was jokingly critical of the previous poster who argued that because Sullivan was the Scottish Number 1 he would automatically get a place ahead of the US Number 1. My point was that that is illogical -- not only for the reasons you state but because if you were going to go on the strength of the National Teams, the advantage would go to Keller not Sullivan.
     
  17. Cruyff14

    Cruyff14 New Member

    Aug 29, 2000
    Irishfs1921 There was controversy about who was between the pipes all the way through the first round and people were raiseing opinons on the issue.
    Keller is the MAN!!!!
    Washington DC
     
  18. Barca_Fan2003

    Barca_Fan2003 New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Slidell, LA
    This all reminds me of this clip I downloaded that has Keller receiving a backpass in a USA vs. Mexico(?) game. After waiting a sec or 2 and getting pressured, he kicks the ball into the head of a Mexican forward and it bounces in. This is when he still had some hair so it is probably quite old. Does anyone remember this?
     
  19. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i've been trying to forget ....... but everytime there's a backpass in any game I watch, I always pay a little more attention now.
     
  20. Barca_Fan2003

    Barca_Fan2003 New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Slidell, LA
    when, what, and where was that?
     
  21. Nimbus2000

    Nimbus2000 Member

    Mar 6, 2001
    Maine
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was a qualifier for WC 98 in Foxboro against Mexico; the offending head was Hermasillo. That may be Kasey's low point in his national team career. Nice comeback by the US, though. When people cite Friedel's superior distribution(and I agree), that moment must play a dominant part in their opinion.
     
  22. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    US-Mex,WCQ,Foxboro 1997,2nd minute.

    The forward is Squarehead Hermosillo.

    Actually,the goal highlights one of Keller's weaknesses,distribution.
     
  23. Barca_Fan2003

    Barca_Fan2003 New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Slidell, LA
    Thanks. Keller certainly didn't look too happy about it in the clip I have.
     
  24. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That and the backpass he completely whiffed on at Leicester.The ball rolled just wide.
     
  25. faizalenu

    faizalenu New Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Massachusetts
    I was there - I remember the shock of such a screw up in a big game. A loss and we may not have qualified.

    As bad a the clearance was, Hermosillo really got up for the ball. He headed it down and it bounced over Keller.

    We came back to tie it at 2:2. One thing this game showed was that Sampson was an idiot. I remember that the team that was on the field that day was much different than the team that choked in France '98. Played a 4-4-2 with Lalas and Balboa at the center defence.


     

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