Juventus to B and -30 points

with 126 points available (42 games in Serie B) there is no reason Juve shouldn't be back in A in a year. Atalanta won B with 81 points this year. Cesena was in the promotion playoffs w/66.

 

Oh boy...-30 is alot to try and come back from. We really need some of our star players to stay aboard.

 

I don't see players staying if there is a possibility of being out of the CL for 3 seasons. It will be tough going to get promoted next season starting on minus 30. Players will be thinking of what they want to win in their careers, and I doubt Vieira and nedved with only 4 or so years left fancy spending the next two years at least with no chance of winning the CL. The younger players and the over 33's will probably stay to keep "Hero" status - the rest I would assume will start the biggest bidding transfer war we've seen in Europe for years.

 

I agree Rick. Juventus have also been stripped of their last two titles I've not commented much on the whole scandal thus far and there isn't much point in doing so now. All I want to do is offer my apologies to the Juventus fans. They are the losers in all of this and none of it is their fault. The rest of this decade is going to be a hard period for Juventus and what it needs is the fans to continue with their support throughout all the problems. Good luck on getting back to Serie A.

 

WOW........30 points.......I definitely want to see what evidence they have collected over the month or so to verdict the Juve should be in Seria B with a 30 point deduction to start the season...I am going to hold my opinion about if it was fair or not until I see or read all the evidence...Also, I do not think they should strip the trophies away since the past is the past...how can nayone go into the record books and have the past removed...even if they think about stipping them, it better not go to Milan..the trophies should just be stripped and not awarded to anyone...

 

30 fukin points. wow. i hope to god we can make that up and get back to seria a.
do you guys know what happened to the rest of the teams?

 

I agree that this isn't their fault, but as ANY travelling fan from any CL club who has visited Juventus in the past 6 or 7 years will say - the Italian fans who attend games at Juventus (please see I am not painting every Juve fan with the same brush) have been pretty horrific fans. Stabbings, urine thrown, beatings, muggings are usual happenings and it makes for a horrible trip. It's without doubt one of the worst grounds to go to in Europe - and I can safetly say I've been to more than most on these boards.

 

Vieira to Barca?

 

lmfao, check this out guys:

http://www.juventus.com/it/team/detail.aspx?lml_language_id=0&trs_id=1457000

 

Maybe I'm overconfident but I think the door for a return to Serie A in one year is open. Obviously, they won't have the squad from this year, but not everyone is going to go. Even if it is veterans and young guys who remain, there is a lot of talent there AND a whole lot of resources ($$$). Incoming Marchionni, Bojinov, C. Zanetti added to whoever remains will still be formidable for a Serie B squad. It will probably take 70 points or so to get into the promotion playoffs. 126 available - 30 points = 96 points available to Juventus. They can drop 26 points and still have a shot at going back up.

In the end, I hope that they rethink their philosophy and start developing their own young talent instead of relying on others to do so, or overpaying for 30 year old talent. Hopefully, this situation will cause them to do this.

 

Please use some common sense and realize in what kind of shithole Juventus are now.

After 10 straight victories, they would still be at 0 points.

You have any idea what that does with the players morale??

Add with that you have a relative unexperienced coach and it's clear its going to be nearly impossible for Juve to get back in A in one season.

 

you don't think the players will be prepared for that? Before even going into this season they'll know what they have to do. It won't be easy but we'll see.

 

Common sense you say...
what you should realize grasshopper is that from the steamiest piles of shit grow the most beautiful flowers.

I don't think a team that had won 10 in a row would have morale problems. I would hope that a number of those players would look at it as opportunity to do something amazing....dare I say legendary.

As for Deschamps, besides being a former WC cup winner and brilliant CM... he has managed Monaco in Ligue 1 for 4 seasons and been to a CL final. He has as much experience as say Klinsmann

 

i'm not sure deschamps is the right man for the job.

 

I think the relegation to B doesn't hurt as much as that 30 point deficit does! A 30 point deficit pretty much means that 10 of Juve's wins in Serie B will only go toward making it to zero points!! Not an easy mountain for any team to climb if you ask me!

I also agree that most of Juve's big name players will be looking elsewhere for work this upcoming season. Guys like Trez, Ibra, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Buffon, Viera, and Emerson will likely be as good as gone. Only legendary players I can see remaining there are Del Piero and possibly Thuram, with the rest of the squad being made up of quality young talent like Chiellini, Balzaretti, and so forth.

Bet you now Juve regrets not bringing back Miccoli

 

Yeah it sucks for the fans, but you can see where something like this would be necessary as a deterrent to future problems.

It sounds like they might have had a choice between Serie B and -30 points and Serie C, so I guess they made out in that respect.

 

Looks good enough to win Serie B to me, especially with Bojinov coming off the bench

 

Friends,

Another thing to consider is that Juve doesn't necessarily have to win the Serie B Championship, just be in the promotion zone. So they only need within 10 or so points of the winner. There were no stipulations that say they must be the B Champ, right? So that could cut them a bit of slack.

I can just see the fear in the eyes of the B teams when they see an angry Juve jog onto the field with something to prove. Woe to those teams who are mid pack and down!

 

Although I hope the appeal cuts down at least some of the points deduction (doubt it), I have to say I'm looking forward to following the team's fightback for the next couple of seasons. Honestly, there has not been that much adversity being a Juve fan for the last 12 years, and it will almost be refreshing to cheer for them to rebuild.

That said, what I'm saddest about is that they took away Ciro Ferrara's 7th Scudetto.

 

Great point about the Cl for three years - none this year or next year even assuming back to A in the best case scenario.

if they start the season with 10 wins - that's 21/2 months into the season - they will have ZERO points. that's huge, too huge if by Christmas break they don't even have 10 points!! Meanwhile, the teams that aren't playing Juve will be racking up points.

And the avalanche of wins shouldn't be presumed. This is not going to be the same Juve team as last year, folks. This is suddenly a very difficult Serie B - Napoli, Lazio, La Viola, renewed Genoa, Bologna, a very, very tough Mantova side - La Vechhia puttana has her work cut out for her, and this is likely to be done without their best players - Zambrotta, Buffon, Cannavaro - likely leaving now, with Nedved, Thuram, Ibra likely gone themselves.

As a Toro fan, I love it, but would be very, very very impressed if they make it back to A next year.

 

Hmm, the second post sounds intriguing as Juventus could run the table up to 96 points - if Buffon is willing to stay, isn't he?

 

Sue,

Yeah, I agree. The scudetto removal bothers me the most. As a matter of fact, WHEN Juve is back in A and wins their 30th not counting penalities, I'd have the 3rd star outlined to say "Yeah, we won 30, but wouldn't fill in the 3rd star until we hit 32".

Cigar,

I think it will be neat to see Torino back in A. Hopefully they will give a an effort worthy of their legendary soccer name this time.


Fair Play,

Don't count on Buffon staying. He's a WC winner and is probably the best GK in the world. He's a hot property, especially after a cup. There will be lots of offers...