June 2019 Democratic Primary Debates - pre game/pbp/post game thread

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  1. Kazuma

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    With Buttigieg he gives off that vibe.

    Klobuchar didn’t give that off until those stories dropped. And that aside, I’d much rather her than him.

    And she just put Steyer in his place thank god.
     
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  2. MatthausSammer

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    Right, but even Trump can have interns write about policy on his website, doesn't make him serious about policy. When it comes down to it, Presidents generally have the opportunity to make their mark in one major way or one major piece of legislation at best. It's going to come down to something that drives them forward to run in the first place. I feel comfortable saying that for Yang it's UBI, for Warren it's tackling corruption and the wealth tax, for Sanders it's Medicare for All, for Biden it's restoring America's place in the world. Pete not having a driving impulse like that makes me uncomfortable about if he'll stand or fight for anything when the chips are down.
     
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  3. xtomx

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    Joe Biden's answer on the childhood poverty question was very good, even if it did not answer the question.

    Bernie, just rattles off the same stuff-1% and the wealthy campaign contributors. I agree with all of it and I like Bernie, but I really do not him to be the nominee.
     
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  4. xtomx

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    Really well said.

    What is Klobuchar "for"?

    BTW: I really don't want interns writing Trump's policy. That is how we got Stephen Miller!
     
  5. xtomx

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    #880 xtomx, Feb 7, 2020
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    Amy Klobuchar "won" the debate.

    Oh, some commentator just said that.

    I switched over to Chris Hayes' panel show and just about everybody he is speaking to is moving towards Amy Klobuchar.
     
  6. MatthausSammer

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    Klobuchar is for pushing a variety of technocratic incremental changes across the board. She's one of the more policy-oriented candidates in the race so I feel comfortable with her in that sense even if she doesn't have a single identifiable brand policy.
     
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  7. xtomx

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    I am warming to her and I think she has a bit of chance.
    In 2019, I read the latest books by:
    Warren
    Mayor Pete
    Yang
    Booker
    Harris
    Bernie
    I have not read any of Klobuchar's books.

    By the way, I appreciate your comments tonight.
    You have verbalized the unease about Mayor Pete.
     
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  8. MatthausSammer

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    If I can help your process then that's great. Glad I could do so.
     
  9. xtomx

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    There has been something off, but I can't put my finger on it.
     
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  10. Kazuma

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    It just clicked in my head but Buttigieg is Pete Campbell from Mad Men.
     
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  11. Sudžuka

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    petes the squealer

     
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  12. MatthausSammer

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    Great reference. You get an Internet cookie.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    Policy is boring! Like Clinton!
     
  14. MatthausSammer

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    I mean, this is not a deep policy-driven field. Warren and Klobuchar are the ones who like policy and they're being marginalized by a human fortune cookie and the two septugenaarian white males.
     
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  15. xtomx

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    #890 xtomx, Feb 8, 2020
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    That's racist, man! ;)
    Just because Andrew Yang is Asian, doesn't mean he is a "fortune cookie." He is Korean-American, not Chinese. :eek:
    Oh, you mean Mayor Pete?!? Nevermind.:thumbsup:



    I agree about Senator Warren being "policy-driven." I have been backing Warren since 2011 or so.
     
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  16. dapip

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  17. NORML

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    I said the, "seeing Canada from Vt, NH, and MN porch joke" killed and I wasn't wrong.
     
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  19. ceezmad

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  21. ceezmad

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    No mames!

    I thought Harris was ok, but her policy stands were as hard as yellow.

    Castro, he was not serious.



    Then again, who am I to criticize you, I liked Booker the best :(
     
  22. bigredfutbol

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    I think "policy" gets overrated.

    Castro spoke more eloquently and seriously about immigration and other issues than any other candidate.

    Harris--in my admittedly biased opinion--combined the best of Obama with the best of HRC, but transcended being a mere amalgamation of their best traits. Her campaign centered children and women of color in a way we'd never really seen before. Her record and her approach to her career to date combined progressive goals with pragmatic politics. And NOTHING would have been a better repudiation of Trumpism than electing a second-generation immigrant, Black Woman as POTUS.

    She wasn't JUST the best candidate to beat Trump and lead to the Democrats solidifying their hold on the House while re-taking the Senate. She was the best candidate to lead the nation out of Trumpian populism and towards a reconfigured politics of pluralism.

    She was the one.
     
  23. ceezmad

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    For what I have read about her campaign imploding, now these are rumors most likely from disgruntle former staffers, is that Harris could not control her sister.

    She kept going back and forth in some issues, most famously how she flip flopped in health care on the same debate.

    I wanted to like Harris, she was definitely in my consideration to vote for her, but man she could not keep her campaign staff in check and that cost her.
     
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  24. ceezmad

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  25. bigredfutbol

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    Her campaign was not well-managed. It seemed like things were getting better.

    The fact that she chose to quit before she completely ran out of money so she could give her staff some severance pay and advance notice while they looked for another job was classy, IMHO.
     

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