Japanese Abroad 2010/11 [R] - Part I

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  1. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I wonder why he went with Atsuto instead of Uchida.
     
  2. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Same question here.
     
  3. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    "Kawaii, ne ?"

    :eek:

    Maybe it has to do with Uchida being more difficult to pronounce by german people ...
     
  4. Bass0r

    Bass0r Member

    Jan 18, 2009
    Tokyo/N. Velidhoo
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Perhaps they got Japan and Korea mixed up.
     
  5. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Good point here - maybe it's this 'ch' which isn't pronounced by most of Germans in proper way. It's something like 'h' in 'ho' instead of some Hepburn 'ch' transcription used around the world, native for most languages. Yep, I think that Atsuto is much simplier than Uchida for Germans.
     
  6. mushu21

    mushu21 Member

    May 18, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Rate by Shinji Kagawa's display this season and Dortmund's players quality, can you guys give opinion if he'll be able to be starter ?

    I followed Bundesliga last season but did'nt know much about Dortmund(I support Bremen),and all I know about Kagawa that he's Japanese Messi :)
     
  7. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No, both are relatively easy to pronounce.

    @mushu21

    ask me in a few weeks again ;). He played 65 minutes today but obviously he hasn't trained a lot with the team yet so I didn't have any expectations. I think he definitely adds something that is missing in Dortmund - he can score from distance, good dribbling qualities and relatively quick. BUT I could already see today that he had huge problems with the big defenders of the opponent. He will need time to adapt to the physical game in Germany. I wouldn't expect him to become a starter in the first months. It will take some time to get used to the game.
     
  8. OneiroPhobia

    OneiroPhobia Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    He is doing an Ichiro.
     
  9. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    You've lost me. (I know who Ichiro is... but not sure what you're getting at)

    So... hate to be a downer here. But I have to wonder -- were Kagawa and Uchida signed by their clubs managers or by the backroom/owner/marketing/sponsor ?
    If Kagawa needs time to adjust, I will become more skeptical. So far, Japanese players who move abroad do poorly with the "time to adjust before they get onto the pitch" thing. I think these players are used to playing every week... and when they go months without a legit match, they lose the drive to succeed.
     
  10. _katsukun_

    _katsukun_ Member

    n/a
    Japan
    Jun 23, 2010
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Or maybe the guy at the fan shop who had to make the shirt thought Atsuto was the lastname. Stupid but plausible explanation, i get that a lot with my name too :)
     
  11. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Didn't hear about any Japanese capital being involved here. Magath was playing the classical English manager's role (coaching and signing players) last season and he is said to hold Japanese players' training ethics in high esteem (Hasebe), so in Uchida's case, with also Schalke04 chronically in debt, I doubt that future marketing was the main motivation.
    As for BVB's Juergen Klopp, I am not aware of him having any preference for the Japanese, but he seems one of the idealistic kind who would not be willing to sign players out of marketing reasons.

    Both signings look primarily sportive, but I imagine it helped that both, especially Kagawa, have been rather reasonable in price. For Uchida, with him being a sought-after attacking rb-species, he could have become far more expensive if he went somewhere else first (or if he didn't succeed he would have returned back).

    What strikes me though is that Schalke 04 and BVB is the biggest rivalry in the Bundesliga, and both signing a young Japanese hopeful looks like out of the script of a manga artist... ;)
     
  12. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Well, I'm not an expert in German so sorry. Błaszczykowski is 'relatively' easy too I think (heard that pronounced in German TV clips on Youtube few times).
     
  13. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    rtmp://fms.0E08.edgecastcdn.net/000E08/100713_atsuto

    Dunno if this clip from yesterday's Uchida-presentation at Schalke 04 works - he says "I will give my best for Schalke" in German... and that he will probably not live in the Japanese community of Duesseldorf. Also to be found here (7/13):

    http://www.schalke04.de/aktuell/videoarchiv.html

    Nothing about the name on his uniform though... maybe they didn't know if to write "Uchida" or "Utchida"?
    It's true that Germans tend to read English/Hepburn transcription in German: So during the WC Keisuke Honda was "Kaisuke" as Eiji Kawashima became "Aiyi" etc so Uchida might have really become "Uhida"...
     
  14. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Nobody in Germany will pronounce Blaszczykowski correctly if the person doesn't have a Polish background. It's a different case compared to names like Uchida, although by now most people know how to pronounce Kuba's name since it's said every week by sport commentators ;) I had a look at Schalke's forum and they also don't know why he doesn't use his last name. There's a small newspaper article where it is written that Uchida wanted it that way. Why? No idea.

    But I don't see any problems regarding the name Uchida and I'm a native speaker.
     
  15. SkyPiercer

    SkyPiercer Member

    Jan 24, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Algeria
    It's no big deal really. It's simply a J-League trend. :p

    Hisato Sato has "Hisato" as shirt name, Michihiro Yasuda has "Michi", Yuji Nakazawa has its surname "Bomber", Koji Yamase has "Koji" as a shirt name and I can name a lot more players.

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  16. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  17. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO3T-AcJkYI"]YouTube- Shinji Kagawa BVB Debut[/ame]
     
  18. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Awkward times for Hasebe. Denmark world cup CB Simon Kjaer has just signed for Vfl Wolfsburg.
     
  19. komina12345

    komina12345 Member+

    Sep 1, 2008
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Anyone have any news on Honda's transfer rumors? The guy was a beast during your WC campaign and it'd be not at all bad to see him at CSKM but he can do better than that.

    And what happened to Morimoto? He like disappeared from the face of the earth.

    On another note, it's good to see that Korea and Japan are getting our players into the quality teams they deserve to be.
     
  20. lilcookie

    lilcookie Member

    May 6, 2005
    choc chip mountain
    When did Steve McClaren become Manager?
     
  21. yakuza fc

    yakuza fc Member

    Jan 4, 2009
    Sydney
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    just after he won the title with FC Twente
     
  22. goru_no_ura

    goru_no_ura Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    Miyako of Zipang
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    On Honda only chitchatting, so far; Morimoto likely to stay at Catania and be a starting member...
     
  23. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    What's more important is what's gonna happen with Daisuke Matsui? About 10 days ago there were rumors left, right and centre but I haven't heard much about him these last couple days. It wouldn't be unforgivable if he stayed at Grenoble as he won't play 2014 but still at very least I'd like to see him back in J.League for a season or two.
     
  24. goru_no_ura

    goru_no_ura Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 20, 2006
    Miyako of Zipang
    Club:
    Sanfrecce Hiroshima FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Honestly, NOTHING is moving on the European market at the moment... Inter, Milan, Juve, Barça, Chelsea, Man Utd too... All is quiet...
     
  25. scotch17

    scotch17 Member

    Jun 15, 2008
    Entebbe
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I'd like to see him return to Kyoto than go down with Grenoble to the second division.
     

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