Islamic chaplain, Capt. Yee, is charged as spy

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  1. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
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    Uhh yeah, what he said....


    AFCA: The US NEVER recognized the Taliban government, only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE did.
     
  2. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    When will the war on terrorism be over?
     
  3. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I don't think that has anything to do with a government. The term 'Illegal combatants' was used in prosecution before when dealing with the German spies in WWII. Germany was recognized by US at that time.

    My understand to that is - the government wants someone to die, real bad, but unable to do so under the regular, normal law. Therefore 'illegal combatant' was invented to facilitate that.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Fixed.
     
  5. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Why is there a war on the West?
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Let me guess - we export too much of our culture, we didn't sign the Kyoto Treaty, we don't "respect" other cultures, we're fat and rude and deserve whatever we get. Is this what you were aiming at? Or is it the simple "we support Israel too much"?
     
  7. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    How about we consume way too much of world's resource comparing to our tiny population?
     
  8. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
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  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Forgot that one. Let's shut down the American economy & see what ripple effects it has on the rest of the world.

    BTW - are you really an American or just a visiting student?
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Dante, I'm not saying you're wrong, but....

    The US did sent money to the Taliban under a "destroy opium" program.
     
  11. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    What does your BS detector say?
     
  12. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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  13. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
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    Do you mean the world won't be able to survive on its own without the American economy?
     
  14. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    True, but the US didn't have any relationship with the Taliban in regards to oil contracts as was previously mentioned.
     
  15. AFCA

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    Okay. I dunno the exact procedure in these matters but if you are trying to make a deal with a foreign government contracts and such usually come in handy. Can you even make a deal with a government that is not 'recognized'?

    I read this explanation for the illegal combatants stuff in a paper. If I'm wrong please enlighten me... why are these guys illegal combatants and thus not protected in any way?
     
  16. AFCA

    AFCA Member

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    There were talks about pipelines going over Afghan territory.
     
  17. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    do you have an actual link from a reputable news source?

    I remember this being posted around the time of the initial Afghan invasion, but to say the links were from websites I could design w/ a websites for dummies book.
     
  18. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    Don't give that 'got a link' crap. No I don't. I don't save every link I visit because I might need it as evidence.

    I'm 100% about one place where I read about this though. A Dutch newspaper called 'De Volkskrant'. A very well known and respected newspaper.

    Besides that these talks are also referred to in a book about OBL from two French guys... but that might be a bit biased for obvious reasons.

    And there's more places, but I wouldn't know from the top of my head.
     
  19. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    That is actually a damn good article that everyone might be able to sympathize with.

    Unless the real answer is "they hate our freedoms"
     
  20. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    You're right, back in 1997 there were and the Argentinian company Bridas was awarded the contract to build the pipeline.
     
  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Fair enough.

    Wonder if that Dutch newspaper cited things like this:

    http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/centgas.htm

    or this:
    http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/082198.htm

    See, that's the wonderful thing about the internet. It allows people who aren't completely fvcking lazy the opportunity to quickly do some research so they do not have to reach far into their ass for information
     
  22. AFCA

    AFCA Member

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    See, that's the downside of internet... 2+2 can have a million different outcomes on a million different websites.

    But seeing someone from unocal say on the unocal website that unocal didn't engage in any not-so-politically correct activities ends all discussion of course.
     
  23. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Well one would think that Bridas, and Argentinian company, acquiring the rights to build a pipeline in Afghanistan in 1997 would have ended the conversation....

    oh well, anyways let's try to get back on topic.
     
  24. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    One would think that, if one also thought that time stopped in 1997.

    http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/company/cnc75005.htm

    http://members.localnet.com/~jeflan/jfafghanpipe.htm

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/12.30A.afgh.pipe.htm

    I'd frankly welcome some actual contradictions and refutations here - I happen to think the US had every reason in the world to invade Afghanistan and overthrow the Taliban. But seeing that Karzai used to work for Unocal is highly troubling here, simply on a graft and corruption level. Which Unocal ain't exactly above.
     
  25. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Dalai Lama spoke in Central Park yesterday.

    The theme was compassion and nonviolence.

    "The very concept of war is out of date," he said to applause. "Destruction of your neighbor as an enemy is essentially a destruction of yourself."

    Dalai Lama for president?
     

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