Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. "Cheering on the insurgency"? Come off it, Ian. That kind of hyperbole is childish. You're beginning to sound like ITN with his "liberals' bloodthirst" crap. No one -- liberal or not -- takes pride in terrorist acts and for you to suggest otherwise undermines your credibility around here. Immediately after Sept 11, Americans of all stripes rallied in response to the attacks. The President was headed in a good direction initially, but got sidetracked with his ideologically-driven vendetta in Iraq. Now, they're creating terrorists faster than we can kill them. Until you get your head our of W's ass, you won't be able to recognize reality.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. OGHT is in the Air Force and his ass is on the line every time he flies a mission into Iraq. So, unless you yourself are risking your ass in a similar manner maybe you should just STFU.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. If the insurgency was simply attacking occupying US troops I would be less inclined to think they're evil. However, the fact that they're attacking Iraqi civilians proves that they're evil. On the other hand, if the US had not invaded Iraq, this particular insurgency wouldn't exist. So yeah, I don't make excuses for them, but that doesn't preclude the US taking a certain amount of responsibility for their creation.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. Yeah, Ian. That's exactly right. We throw a big party for every 10 Iraqi civilians blown to bits by our friends in the insurgency. It's amazing we have any time at all for posting on bigsoccer, what with all the drunken debauchery we indulge ourselves in on a near hourly basis. Prick
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. You can't be serious....! Sadam kept all those terrorists ready for after the attack? I'll bet you still think that the pilots on 9/11 came from Iraq! Brainwashed from listening to Rush and Fox.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. My understanding is that there's a two-track "insurgency." There are native Iraqis who almost exclusively try to kill Americans, or various surrogates (translators, gvt. officials, etc.) Then there are the foreign insurgents, the "flies" if you will, who specialize in creating mayhem the easy way, which, normally, is killing large numbers of Iraqi civilians in spectacular fashion. We're negotiating with the first group. What's interesting is that there "must have" negotiating point is no permanent American presence, but, of course, we're building permanent bases there, so the negotations are pointless.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. Norway, currently. C'mon over! We'll have a few in Ian's honor. Too bad he's too stubborn to join the party.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. -there are a few major groups of native Iraqis, and a couple smaller groups of foreign insurgents, of which Zarqawi's Al Queda in Iraq is most widely known. Of the locals you basically have Former Regime Elements, with whom negotiation is impossible. You have Sunni Iraqi nationals in (basically) two flavors: religious/salafist, and secular. 'We' are attempting to negotiate with these guys. -We built 'permanent' bases every time we're somewhere longer than six months. -What does 'permanent' really mean? FOR-EV-ER, 2 years, 5 years, 10?
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. What color is your uniform, Ian? I'm pretty sure that OGHT's is currently active duty United States Air Force blue.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. No. Saddam didn't need terrorists to do this. He did quite well at murdering his own countrymen en masse with his own time tested methods of chemical weapons in the north and just straight shooting sunnis in the back of the haed in the south. I'd like to see how many innocent Iraqis have been killed by the cowardly 'insurgents' (who are mostly not Iraqi anyway) compared to the numbers killed by Saddam's regime... Oh that's right we are still counting the bodies of those killed while he was in power. Make no mistake. I'm not down-playing the tragedy of innocent Iraqis being killed by terrorist attacks. The situation in Iraq under Saddam was hopeless for anyone who was not named al-Tikriti (Saddam's extetended family/ tribe), and every day for 30 or so years these folks risked being beaten/ raped/ killed for that transgression alone. Now, there is finally hope for the vast majority of Iraqis because of what has been done in Iraq. The vast majority of the domestic 'insurgents' are the remnants of Saddam's regime who face reprisal and incarceration/ death when the US succeeds. This is pretty strong motivation wouldn't you say? The rest of the terrorists currently residing in Iraq are foreigners who just want a piece of the US for their own misguided pseudo-religious ideological reasons. I think we are starting to see Iraqis take control of this situation by taking care of the left over Saddam loyalists first. Once these folks are out of the picture, the foreigners will stick out like sore thumbs (and hopefully removed). You all can continue to be negative, but take your political ideology out of the way for a minute and you will see that this is a realistic scenario.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. One non iraqi with a belt bomb attached to his chest blows himself up near a gas station and takes 50 innocent Iraqi with him. Iraqi should hunt down any non iraqi insurgents in their country and kill them all. When they have the soccer balls to do it this crap will stop and stop fast.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. This isn't some kind of beauty competition, dude. The current deaths and destruction undermine America's attempts to achieve its goals. That's all that matters.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. Wait, I thought the insurgency was in its "last throes". I guess they'll only last another 72 hours, eh, Ian? This thread is just more proof, as if any further proof was needed, that the Ridiculous Right's WWF mentality and their need to believe that Dumbya is an infallible supergenius do not allow them to understand what is going on not only in Iraq but elsewhere in the world. Those things are also why they'll never be able to provide an intelligent answer to superdave's question about why the various resistance groups are able to draw enough support from the Iraqi population to continue operating on such a large scale let alone answer the question of what to do to effectively combat all the terrorists that Bush has not only created by invading Iraq but also now helped train by providing them a convenient theater of action. Ian's posts in the various Iraq threads are also proof that the Ridiculous Right is out of defenses for the Bush administration's gross incompetence and dishonesty regarding Iraq and so all they have left are straw men attacks of the tired old "liberals hate America" type and baseless wishful thinking that all the problems caused by Bush's lies and incompetence are somehow magically going away. Add to this the difficulty that right-wingers are having selling their domestic agenda and in coming up with credible talking points concerning the increasing possibility that Karl Rove was involved in the revenge outing of Palme and you can understand why they are so desperate these days.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. No dick, mabey he didn't want the coalaltion forces in there in first place so these people wouldn't be getting blown up, idiot.
Re: 58 more dead in Iraq. I wore a uniform just as OGHT and you did. And, we were taught to fight for those who couldn't fight for themselves. Remember that the next time an innocent Iraqi is killed by cowardly terrorists.