Improving Portuguese football

Discussion in 'Portugal' started by shizzle787, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So as many of you are aware, the Portuguese league has fallen to 7th in the UEFA coefficient, meaning that in the 2018/19 season, Portugal will only have a maximum of two teams in the Champions League. This is not good for a league that was pushing Serie A for fourth just a few years ago and miles ahead of Russia, who has since passed Portugal.

    You need to increase quality in Europe and I believe shrinking the league back down to 16 teams and abolishing the abortion that is the Portuguese League Cup will do the trick. I would argue that shrinking the league to 16 clubs will reduce costs, further increase competitiveness, arguably increase profitability, reduce fixture congestion, and increase quality. Reducing from 34 matches to 30 matches will reduce fixture congestion and increase rest which should lead to even better results in Europe.

    I would also get rid of the League Cup and Super Cup. League cups are pointless and rare (only 11 countries in UEFA have them and very few around the world do) and cause undue fixture congestion.

    It should be noted that in 2010-2011, Portugal had one of its best ever years in Europe, and it only had 16 clubs in the league that year. Food for thought.

    What do you think?
     
  2. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I think
    It's a good idea

    I would just add that Benfica should be demoted for corruption , Also if their fans weren't allowed to vote
    Portugal would become much more
    Prosperous economically
     
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  3. shizzle787

    shizzle787 Member

    Apr 27, 2015
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is Benfica's political bent (left or right)?
     
  4. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    They bend every which way
     
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  5. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    I have no problem with the league cup. It gives smaller teams a chance to win a trophy like Moreirense did this past season.
     
  6. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Left
     
  7. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sporting treating Europe like they actually wanted to be there would help too
     
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  8. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sporting fan logic: kick out the one team consistently getting coefficient points
     
  9. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Relegate Benfica for match fixing, vouchers, and influencing referees.

    Hire foreign referees to ref games in Porutgal to combat Lampiao homerism.
     
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  10. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Reduce the teams to 16, maybe.
    End League Cup, undecided.
    End Super Cup, no.
     
  11. BatatasFritas

    BatatasFritas Member+

    Nov 29, 2004
    Toronto
    Club:
    FC Porto
    Portuguese league is terrible. Besides the top 5, most smaller clubs can't even get 2000 fans per game. The budgets of the smaller clubs are a joke. We can only do well in UEFA with less teams to get more points. Double edge sword. Europa league is the only way we can gain points.

    We also need Sporting, Braga and hopefully Boavista in the future to help out a little.

    I don't care much for the Benfica cup but it can stay.
     
  12. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A billionaire buying belenenses or something of the sort would help too
     
  13. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    It might be a good kick start but with questions in the long term. Portugal is Europe's darlings at the moment so... What about a billionaire buying one of the top 3? Myself, I would be against it. Another thing to improve the league is to have one Madeira team (unification).
     
  14. vilafria

    vilafria Member+

    Jun 2, 2005
    Discussed before, never happens. Nacional and Uniao will never agree to it because they would be the ones that would loose their name/identification in lieu of Maritimo.
     
  15. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    This doesn't help:

    Aviso da PGR trava buscas a mails do Benfica Ministério Público, em vez de avançar em segredo com buscas urgentes, fez anúncio público de inquérito que alertou alvos

    Depois da denúncia pública, num programa televisivo de terça-feira à noite, sobre a troca de emails entre Pedro Guerra, o diretor de conteúdos da BTV, e Adão Mendes, ex-árbitro, indiciando o eventual favorecimento de arbitragens ao Benfica a partir da época 2013/14, a Procuradoria-Geral da República fez através da agência Lusa, às 19h11 de quarta-feira, um pré-aviso de abertura de inquérito, anunciando também que o mesmo decorrerá no DIAP de Lisboa. VIDEOAviso da PGR trava buscas a mails do Benfica Ministério Público, em vez de avançar em segredo com buscas urgentes, fez anúncio público de inquérito que alertou alvos. E, além de ter com isso alertado os potenciais alvos de investigação – o que deixa "incrédulas" fontes judiciais contactadas pelo CM, por se ter matado voluntariamente "o essencial efeito surpresa" de uma eventual operação –, até ontem à noite também nada tinha sido feito para acautelar a prova, sabe o CM. Ou seja, ao contrário do que ditam as "boas práticas" de investigação criminal quando os alvos estão alertados, não foi feita, nomeadamente, qualquer busca com caráter de urgência para, por exemplo, apreender os computadores com os quais possam ter sido trocados os tais emails comprometedores. Assim, só com a "denúncia anónima recebida na plataforma do DCIAP", conforme anunciou a PGR, e com cópias de emails trocados cuja autoria pode facilmente ser negada pelos visados, dificilmente se farão provas de corrupção. Data da denúncia fica por esclarecer O CM questionou ontem a PGR sobre os procedimentos adotados – anúncio público de um inquérito, no DIAP de Lisboa, quando não há diligências feitas –, perguntando quando foi recebida a denúncia anónima, mas não obteve respostas. CD confirma inquérito O Conselho de Disciplina da Federação Portuguesa de Futebol abriu um inquérito após Francisco J. Marques, diretor de comunicação do FC Porto, ter acusado o Benfica de corrupção, revelando uma alegada troca de emails entre Pedro Guerra, comentador da Benfica TV, e Adão Mendes, ex-árbitro, na época 2013/14. A abertura deste inquérito surge um dia depois de o CM ter revelado que a Federação Portuguesa de Futebol ia investigar os emails tornados públicos num programa do Porto Canal. RELACIONADAS Futebol Justiça e FPF investigam suspeitas de favores ao Benfica FutebolFOTOGALERIA Benfica foi o clube mais beneficiado por árbitros citados nos emails suspeitos Jorge Sousa sucede a Artur Soares Dias Jorge Sousa sucede ao também juiz do Porto Artur Soares Dias como o melhor árbitro de 2016/2017 (ambos ficaram separados por poucas décimas). De recordar que Sousa foi duramente criticado esta temporada pela arbitragem no Benfica-Sporting (2-1) da primeira volta. Os leões mostraram toda a sua indignação, contestando o juiz portuense por este, segundo o clube de Alvalade, não ter visto duas grandes penalidades contra o Benfica (mãos de Pizzi e Nélson Semedo). Nuno Almeida (Algarve), um dos visados pelos emails tornados públicos pelo diretor de comunicação do FC Porto, surge na quinta posição atrás do internacional Carlos Xistra (Castelo Branco) e Bruno Paixão (Setúbal. Outro dos juízes assinalados nos emails, Jorge Ferreira, surge no último lugar, o que lhe garante a descida de divisão. O juiz de Braga foi durante a temporada ameaçado por elementos dos Super Dragões, que em duas ocasiões pintaram o estabelecimento comercial do pai em Fafe. Bruno Esteves (Setúbal), Vasco Santos (Porto) e Manuel Mota (Braga) estarão no quadro principal de árbitros da próxima temporada, uma vez que não ficaram nos últimos três (Tiago Antunes e João Matos também descem aos escalões inferiores).

    Ler mais em: http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/aviso-da-pgr-trava-buscas-a-mails-do-benfica

    I hope Portuguese football rots and suffers very many years. That's the only way they learn.
     
  16. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If true I hope benfica pays the penalty.
     
  17. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    I appreciate your modesty, but the topic of the article was that the investigation was made public first to alert Benfica, rather than investigating in secrecy to ensure nothing is tampered with or destroyed.

    Here's the key excerpt:

    "Ou seja, ao contrário do que ditam as "boas práticas" de investigação criminal quando os alvos estão alertados, não foi feita, nomeadamente, qualquer busca com caráter de urgência para, por exemplo, apreender os computadores com os quais possam ter sido trocados os tais emails comprometedores."

    So, "hoping Benfica pays the penalty" is not a realistic outcome at this point, is it?
     
  18. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course it is. Emails can be tracked. Let's see what they say.

    Benfica did fire Pedro Guerra so...Things might get interesting.

    Btw: Porto got sanctioned today.

     
  19. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Glad they did. Not even Benfiquistas like Guerra. He's a cancer.
     
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  20. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    lol ain't shit gunna happen even if it is staring everyone in the face
     
  21. nbstriker8

    nbstriker8 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    new beige
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe they'll deduct 5 points and teach us a lesson
     
  22. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Waiting to hear how Benfica's corruption is really the cause for Sporting being so pitiful in Europe that they are now behind BRAGA, in UEFA Coefficients. So essentially, during BDC's time at Sporting, Braga has achieved more in Europe. Just incredible the ability of this con man.

    Only a matter of time before this charade of having Sporting lumped together with Porto and Benfica ends and Top 3 gets replaced with Top 2 (Benfica,Porto) and Next 3 (Sporting, Braga, Guimaraes).
     
  23. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Coll story bro.
     
  24. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    It's actually a sad story. Will be one of the GOAT fado tales in hundreds of years.
     
  25. SCP_16

    SCP_16 Member+

    Aug 8, 2004
    Portugal
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Must be a Trump supporter. I bring up a discussion and you deflect to a different topic. "But Hilary's emails!!!!"

    We're talking about evidence potentially linking benfica to corruption and you bring up UEFA. Must be nice to bribe the officials every year, get first place and automatically qualify for Champions League. Bravo. I'm sure that also means you guys get seeded in the tournament as well, correct? Now you've avoided a handful of great teams. We played Madrid and Dortmund off the pitch. We didn't get ass raped to the tune of 4-1 by Dortmund.
     
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