I'm profitting from the war

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by HSEUPASSION, Sep 27, 2006.

  1. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    I am. I own shares in companies that make tanks and submarines. I'm also profitting from wire tapping.

    Am I a bad man?
     
  2. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I don't know; I guess its easier to declare yourself here as financially supporting such work in the world; the litmus test is, would you stand up and declare yourself an owner at a hospital where those maimed by tank/submarine weapons activity were recovering; would you declare yourself in a morgue where people were trying to identify their loved ones obliterated by tank weaponry. Would you attend a nonviolent rally and advocate this system of ownership if you knew that people living with the outcomes of such death-dealing product were also on the podium?

    Leaving aside the rudeness factor in doing the above the way I've descirbed it for a moment, if you are willing to do those things, then YOU probably don't think that they are bad in and of themselves, and, thus, probably don't think that you are a bad person.

    I know that we are all hypocrites; I pay my taxes. Thus, I support warmongering. Period. It's a sad state of affairs, but true. I do dialogue all the time with my representatives about pushing for L.I.T.E. taxation policy (line item taxation exemption), where the bare bones number for any federal budget piece is declared/negotiated, and each persons' bottom line percentages of tax owed towards those things can be declared, with a good portion remining to direct AS WE WISH. So, for example, maybe is a fixed percentage of 2% of the tax base that goes to defense, education//training etc. , but I have discretion over 39% of my tax money; I may want to put it all into education. I'd feel better about that approach than the one we have now, and I'd actually be prepared to leave out my perceptions of military funding beyond the coast guard and go to jail for that; my wife disagrees. But in that discourse we agree that there's a certain level of culpability in funding misadventure abroad through our tax money. So you may or may not consider yourself a "bad man," but I acknowledge that I certianly play a role in fudning bad things happening to innocents at hoem and abroad. Hopefully we can do something about that in my lifetime.
     
  3. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Not necessarily. Are you happy when another war breaks out though? As that would make you a bad man.
     
  4. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No, you're just in a business that's making money from tanks and submarines etc...
     
  5. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're a man.

    You do things.

    There are other things you could do ,but you do the things you do instead.

    The things you do have consequences on your environment and yourself.

    For example you posted this at 3:42 AM EDT.If you're posting in this time zone (for example) you posted instead of sleeping,making love to your partner,eating a bag of cookies(I used to do this at 3:42 AM),ranting about Freddy Adu,or surfing internet porn.

    Wait?Did I just say Fred...

    Oh God forgive me ,I just killed a kitten.

    :(

    The lesson is in attempting to pass judgment on others,we become less attentive to the consequences of our own actions.
     
  6. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    If we didn't have companies making submarines, the US would buy them from somewhere else. Its that simple. We're not going to war because we can build submarines - we build submarines because we go to war.
    Not to mention that the military-industrial complex is not, per se, evil and unholy or anything of the like.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then sell. What's the problem?
     
  8. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    You like Arsenal.

    The war profiteering is the least of your sins.
     
  9. bmurphyfl

    bmurphyfl Member

    Jun 10, 2000
    VT
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If it concerns you, put your money in a socially responsible mutual fund like Pax World Funds. They get good rates of return and don't invest in defense contractors, tobacco compaines, etc. Plus, they'll only invest in companies that are environmentally responsible and have a well-cared-for workforce.
     
  10. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    How do you profit from wiretapping? :confused:
     
  11. TeamUSA

    TeamUSA Member

    Nov 24, 1999
    Tianjin, China
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody here can answer this question for you, it's up to you personally. But if you are looking for an opinion of how people will view you then you have come to the right spot, once you provide how you honestly feel about making a profit from war.
     
  12. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    There's barely a fortune 500 company out there now that don't have its hand in military procurements.
     
  13. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Do your economic interests influence your moral decision making? If so, find a needle, a camel, and start practicing.
     
  14. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correctamundo. What company wouldn't want a piece of a $450 billion pie?
     
  15. HSEUPASSION

    HSEUPASSION New Member

    Apr 16, 2005
    Duck, NC
    Nice Systems.

    Jim Cramer was on TV going on about how to do it, so I did it. I'm against the war, actually. But I figured I might aswell get something positive out of it.
     
  16. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My computer screen is made out of hydrocarbon-based plastic. I'm causing the war.
     

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