If you had to put together a starting XI for Qatar 2022, who would be in it?

It's amazing that the mainstream media has not made a big deal out of this (yet)

 

Qatar isnot going to take place. The time to play qualifying matches isnot there and the corona virus has shaken the clubs, which are essential in soccer, from their financial foundation, thus necesitating the time given to play soccer matches primarily going to club matches. International soccer has to take time off.

 

Yeah, I kind of lean to your side of this debate. I just don't see FIFA giving up the money associated with broadcasting a World Cup. I mean, people do understand we are talking about FIFA, right?

 

So what?
FIFA can do shit if the Euro clubs put their existence first.

 

The point isnot about moving it, but about the lack of possibility to even play qualifiers. Without qualifiers there's no WC.

 

Did you forget they're trying to get the Euro 2021 to take place and are struggling to get league competitions running again? Clubs need the play day slots which will be scarce to survive. All clubs in Europe are on the brink of a financial disaster and the last thing they can use is those precious slots being taken by either UEFA and/or FIFA. International soccer is the very last in the row to get a turn.

 

Hmm...

Most likely I'd say this for now:

Cillessen
Zeefuik - van Dijk - de Ligt - Wijndal
de Jong - Wijnaldum
Bergwijn - Stengs - Malen
Memphis​

A lot can change between now and then. Some really interesting players coming up right now and making cases for themselves.

 

Depay-Malen

Groeneveld-Frenkie-Veerman- stengs

Wijndal-Van Dijk - De ligt- karsdorp

Bizot

 

Veerman is a great shout (his passing is unreal) but Wijnaldum is still the best midfielder the Netherlands have. Groeneveld over someone like Bergwijn, Promes et. al. doesn't seem to make much sense yet either, eh?

 

Groeneveld has only gone awol because of niggling foot injury which he sustained in the preseason and then the same injury reoccurred on the different foot after recovering and while featuring for Bournemouth in epl. he had to go for rehabilitation program in Doha requiring considerable period on the sidelines and which also ruled him out of euros. there is no doubt what so ever that he has a better ceiling than both Promes and Bergwijn. the reason why I rate him highly is because firstly he is dual footed (Fluent) and secondly what he showcased just in his first cap for NT, Promes and Bergwign have come nowhere to it even with how manys caps for NT now under their belt.

I also see Promes returning to Eredivisie as a downward trajectory after flopping at Sevilla.he is thriving in team with some of the best players in eredivisie and playing against average teams throughout the season except for few and piling up goals. you also look at Berghuis, he is also in the same boat. when the same players are not around them or when they are up against more competitive teams than eredivise (CL & EL) they look average. My concern here is what if everybody starts returning to eredivisie. klaassen,El Ghazi, kluivert etc.

as for Bergwijn I have already said this before, he will never become a top winger. his only weapon is his speed. you stop his acceleration he is done. plus more importantly he is not a top finisher especially at NT level.

imo both Promes and Bergwijn will fade out when more competition heats up,especially when the likes of Dilrosun, Adekanye, stengs, Ihattaren including Groeneveld start burning all clyinders.

 

I like Groeneveld.

 

Listen, I like Groeneveld a lot. I think I was the first person on this forum to pump him up especially during his breakout season with NEC. Let's be clear though...if you're going to use his brief stint with the NT to compare him to Bergwijn can't you do the same with Bergwijn in the PL compared to what Groeneveld has done since leaving NEC? Bergwijn has dominated at the Eredivisie (not just the numbers he puts up, but his underlying ones as well) and has hit the ground running at the PL getting rave reviews from Spurs. I think he's looked fine with the Oranje, and keep in mind he is still young. There's no way that Groeneveld has a higher ceiling than Bergwijn IMO, I think you're underrating him badly. I'm not a big fan of Berghuis; he's a very good Eredivisie player nothing more.

 

My friend I have also followed Groeneveld from the NEC days and thats where im coming from.when bergwijn trajectory was going up, Groeneveld's was going down , when he joined NEC who during that time were playing in eredivisie and after which they got relegated the following season. It would useless to compare both head to head because even though groeneveld has featured for three different clubs, he still has played far less games than bergwijn. 117 - 70 infact.

Now comparision of Groeneveld since he left NEC to bergwijn in PL. From a second division, groeneveld went up to light on the CL stage . This is something extraordinary and why else do you think koeman gave him the nod and again this is where im coming from. How many games he played for club brugge before getting the call up and again keep in mind this was his first season in the top flight. Just a comparison here nothing else.Also mind you ,after his CL performance there were big clubs who started scouting him including tottenham but were put off after his injury vs belguim. It was bornemouth who then took the gamble and signed him.

Comparison of Bergwijn,I have ready talked about both at NT level. Yes bergwijn scored on debut for tottenham, but so did Locadia on his debut for Brighton. What followed after? Could give bergwijn the benefit of doubt like you said.he is still young but looking at him after the city game it was the same as expected. He runs alot, no doubt is fast but the moment he looses his acceleration he is done.average. The only thing I will acknowledge about him is his defensive input which significantly contributes to the team while defending. His cover up to the full backs is excellent.