If you could change the outcome of one game in your team's history...

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by RiverGaucho, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I am just curious to hear what other fans think. For me it is simple. It is the Final of the 1966 Copa Libertadores. After both River and Peñarol had won at home, a winner take all play off was played in Santiago, Chile.

    River was far superior, leading the Montevideo side 2-0, only to lose 4-2. That day, started our name as Gallinas (chickens). Had River won that game, its likely River would have dominated south american football, but since that day, we have been cursed.

    Although we have dominated our local league, in international tournaments we have horrible luck, mainly losing on penalties. We won two copa libertadores- without the aid of penalties, but were cursed in penalty shoot outs, while boca, relies on penalties to win the majority of their international titles.

    That fateful day was the beginning of much suffering for River fans.
     
  2. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    I have two one national game and one club game

    1986 World cup qualifiers
    Argentina vs Peru = 2-2

    we went into this game 1 point behind Argentina, it was the final game and we were leading 1-2 with around 10 minutes to go, Gareca (I think) scored in the 81st minute and Argentina maintained their 1 point advantage and qualified directly, the team went into the playoff and couldn't deliver

    If we had held on, we would have gone to our 4th world cup out of the last 5 attempts, who knows it might have delayed the eventual crisis that overtook our national team (which we haven't really recovered from)


    1997 Copa Libertadores final
    Cruzeiro vs Sporting Cristal = 1-0

    The first final had finished 0-0 in Lima, If SC had somehow managed to win this it could have sparked a mini revival in our club scene, but without it SC and the rest of the league got worse and the other nations progressed
     
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  3. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Brazil vs Italy 1982
     
  4. Michaelf7777777

    Apr 20, 2012
    Wellington
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    National Team (New Zealand): Change 1-1 draw with Italy at 2010 World Cup

    Club Team (Manchester United): This seems counter-intuitive but I'd change the 1-0 second leg European Cup defeat to Dukla Prague in the 1957-58 European Cup into a 4-0 loss so the horrors of Munich don't eventuate and we have a greater level of success throughout the late 1950's and early 1960's.
     
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  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Here are a few I'd like to be able to change, take your pick.

    1) World Cup 1982 second round, Argentina vs Italy: Minute 3: Claudio Gentile violently fouls Diego Maradona.... ref pulls out the red card, I guess he's taking no crap from nobody!

    2) World Cup 1990 final, Argentina vs Germany: Minute 85: Rudy Voller goes down in the penalty area... ref gives him a yellow for simulating!

    3) World Cup 1994 first round, Argentina vs Nigeria: After the game: The player randomly chosen for the post game doping test is... Abel Balbo, not Diego Maradona!

    4) World Cup 1998 quarterfinal, Argentina vs Holland: Second half, game tied, Gabriel Batistuta shoots, ball hits the post and.... goes in!

    5) World Cup 2006 quarterfinal, Argentina vs Germany: Second half, Argentina up 1-0, coach Pekerman makes a substitution... Messi comes in for Crespo, Riquelme stays in the game!

    6) World Cup 2010 quarterfinals, Argentina vs Germany: Before kickoff, due to torrential rain, the game is suspended. Maradona resigns as manager before the game can be replayed!
     
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  6. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    I guess that's the WC 1934 Semifinal Austria - Italy as I don't like their chances to pull a 'Wunder von Bern' against the Magyars in '54.
     
  7. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    1970 European Cup Final

    Celtic are looked upon as one season wonders when it comes to European football. That image owes as much to this defeat than anything else. After dismantling Leeds in the semi's we'd gone into this final as favourites. And as so often happens in football the favourites fell.

    I'm sure many Dutch fans wouldn't change this result for the world as it announced their club teams onto the main European stage and limelight but a second European title in 3 seasons would have painted my club in such a different light.

    We also lost the semi final on pens to Internazionale in '72 but the '70 final was the big one.
     
  8. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ajax vs juventus championsleague final.
    or holland vs spain wc final.
     
  9. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    2006 champions league
     
  10. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    actually we where already coming into european limelight and knocking on the door. in 1969 ajax lost the championsleague final against ac milan and in 1966 we beat the great liverpool and made it in 1967 to the quarterfinals.
    1963 feyenoord reaching semi final of the championsleague.
     
  11. frasermc

    frasermc Take your flunky and dangle

    Celtic
    Scotland
    Jul 28, 2006
    Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Fair point. But what I meant was winning the European Cup for the first time could be seen as heralding the arrival of Dutch football as a genuine force in European football.

    If Celtic had won then they would have been looked upon far more admiringly for winning a 2nd European Cup and not so much as an aberration.
     
  12. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    actually i like celtic a lot. especially from that time. lennon, johnstone, auld etc etc great players.

    also danny mcgrain from celtic imo top 5 rb ever. betetr then thuram for example imo
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Regarding national team games I remember in person:

    1990: Beenhakker isn't appointed. Players get coach they asked and Holland wins the world title.

    1992: no underestimation of the Danes

    1994: no two offside goals by the Brazilians and no Arab ref

    1998: no injury of Bergkamp, Holland receives deserved penalty and is through to final. Other ref too.

    2000: one of the two penalties against Italy go in. No strange subs

    2010: too many to mention
     
  14. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    yeah when i become 101 yars old i still cannot forget 1990.
    the knvb lets the players vote wich coach they want. the majority (and all teh big stars like gullit, van basten rijkaard, r. koeman) say we want cruyff. and what does the knvb do ? no you don't get cruyff why the hell let them vote in teh first place ??
     
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  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Very true.
     
  16. 621380

    621380 Member

    Feb 21, 2004
    germany
    1970 semifinal against italy...no beckenbauer injury and a better referee.. germany reach the final and has a good chance to beat brasil ....gerd müller with a perfect 12 game goalscoring streak combinated worldcup qualifers 1970 (6 games)/worldcup 1970 (6 games) ..
     
  17. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    nice dream mate ... :p
     
  18. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    why not ? i think brazil 1970 gets very very overrated and many people calling it the greatest teame ver show that they have no knowledge of the game.

    lets take a look at brazil 1970. goalkeepr felix ?? terrible terrible goalkeepr.
    defenders : everaldo, piazza and brito ?/ average defenders nothing great or spectacular about them.
    midfielder clodoaldo ?? just a good player. nothing all tiem great about him.
    attacker tostao ? average attacker nothing great.

    pele, jairzinho, rivelinho, gerson, carlos alberto those are atg players.

    i think brazil 1970 was lucky some average players had their peak of their career their best form ever.
    but germany 1970 could have had a good chance to beat brazil 1970.
    brazil 1958/62 was a way way better team then brazil 1970
     
  19. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    It does not matter if Felix was not a Bank or Yashin.
    It does not matter if Brazil70 needed a Scirea Baresi Moore and Beckenbauer in their DF.

    They were so good in handle the ball to attack, so most often the opponent were busy in defending them
    Look :
    1- STATS said at WC70 they allowed 7goals/6games = decent (enough) defensive stats!
    2- Brazil Samba mind = opponent scores 1 and we'll score 2,3
    STATS said WC70 allowed ~1.1 gpg, and they scored 3.3goals per game (just like they commit)

    Scored 19 allowed 7 over 6games WC70!
     
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  20. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    my point is that people always refer to brazil 1970 as the greatest team ever.
    i truly think that many teams would beat them.

    where they to play eachother 5 times the following teams would beat brazil 1970 at least 3 times.

    brazil 1958/1962, holland 1974, hungary 1954, germany 1974, italy 1982
     
  21. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well maybe or maybe not ...in chances
    But I could hardly think of any team could resist the Brazil 70 team from scoring goals.
     
  22. tony-soprano37

    Dec 5, 2008
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    italy 1982 had one of the best defenses i have ever seen. very tough to score against the likes of gentile, scirea, bergomi, cabrini, collovati and zoff.
     
  23. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    While I agree with you about that , Brazil82 did score 2goals against them though.
     
  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WC2002 - US v. Germany.

    Well, if the ref is changed, that might be enough. ;)
     
  25. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Like red cards for Van Bommel and De Jong?:p;)
     

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