If Jozy Altidore was English...

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by olephill2, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Jozy Altidore was an Englishman and not an American, how do you think the general view of him would differ? Would he still be viewed as a super prospect? A guy with the hopes of the soccer/football nation pinned to him as a future striker on the national team?

    Let's try to make sense of this. I'm going to assume, for simplicity's sake, that MLS is more or less around the same level of quality as the Coca-Cola Championship. As of now, Altidore has 8 goals & 4 assists in 17 league games this season (12 of them starts). That's just under a goal every two games.

    If Altidore was an Englishman, at age 17, and was producing those similar numbers halfway through the Coca-Cola Championship season for a mid-table team, do you think he'd be receiving similar hype? Would English fans and the English media be tabbing him as a future national team star? Is Altidore's level of productivity and his potential, at this age, good enough for England too?
     
  2. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    he would sell for as much money as Theo Walcott
     
  3. sportscribe

    sportscribe Member

    Jul 2, 2007
    iHe'd definitely be lauded as a great prospect and I feel would definitely be given a good look at, as England don't really have any good target men outside of Peter Crouch.
     
  4. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Altidore is on a completely different level than Walcott. It would suck if Jozy ened up on the level of Walcott.
     
  5. Bigbreak

    Bigbreak New Member

    Aug 29, 2007
    He would definately do a lot batter than Walcott! Walcott is not that good....
     
  6. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    u didnt see him yesterday... or ever


    As for the question... if he was English doing the same thing in hte Championship, he would more than likely have recieved an English call up by now... would be labeled the next Superstar... flash forward 10 years, and he would be burnt out, and they would be calling him a bust or saying he is finished
     
  7. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    When the US produces players capable of being an important squad member for a team like Arsenal, we can talk about how much better our young players are than Walcott.

    I mean, I know people hate to hear this, but the US needs to have a couple of these prospects actually pan out in high level leagues before our guys are going to be seen as top prospects like Walcott is, instead of a talented long-shot which is where Jozy is. The first one to break through and rise to that level will surprise everyone. I'd love for Jozy to be that guy. But, if I had to put down money on who's gonna be the bigger player at the bigger club, history would clearly point to picking Walcott, as would his current status as a solid member of one of the top teams in the world.

    I respect our players and always root for them. I'd like nothing more than to see US players lighting up fields around the world. But, acting like we have suddenly jumped to the point where our young hopes are head and shoulders above the hopes of the young English players is a bit much.
     
  8. SoccerKowboy

    SoccerKowboy BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2007
    Virginia, USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I ask, because I don't know (Arsenal's site and Wikipedia did not have complete information): How many games has Walcott started?

    I haven't seen enough of Theo to be able to compare him to Jozy. Jozy has impressed me, though, and his attitude seems very good. Obviously the next couple of years will be very telling, but I'd definitely not bet against him. He has the physical tools and the attitude to be very successful.

    I'd like to see him go to a mid-table team in Italy or Spain after another year in MLS.

    BTW, I think this is an excellent thread, because many on this board don't have perspective regarding our young prospects.
     
  9. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    if he was english, than we wouldn't be talking about him here on the MNT forum. now can we close this stupid thread please?
     
  10. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Jozy was English:

    1) He'd have bad teeth

    2) He'd watch England not sack the f*** up in Wembley against the Germans.

    So I'm glad he's not:
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  11. Tuneiro

    Tuneiro New Member

    Apr 11, 2007
    London / RioBrasil
    I from England, I saw Altidore in the World Cup under-20, he is a good player with alot of potential, but he is no Theo Walcott especially if Walcott is healthy. Would a U.S. teen be given a spot on a world class England squad in the world cup as Walcott was? Its just a question
     
  12. TheBrand

    TheBrand Member

    Oct 7, 2006
    Atlanta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only th U-20 WC? Have you seen him in any MLS games? I'm not trying to spark an argument or anything I'm just curious.
     
  13. Beazley17

    Beazley17 Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    South Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, didnt know you guys were world class? All you do is choke
     
  14. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    forty years ago is a long time. were you even alive?
     
  15. hairynippleman

    Jun 13, 2007
    if he were english jozy would be playing for some crap team in coca cola...

    and no one would give a sh*t if he scored in coca cola because it's coca cola.
     
  16. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    never said he would be the same talent as Walcott, just said he would sell for the same amount of cash ;). I think Jozy is better as well.

    how much did Walcott sell for 16 mil? If Altidore is English, maybe he's 20 million euro man :eek: Alas, we must factor in the "Americans are great athletes but poor footballers" card, and any American stigma at large, sooo, id say he's between 5-10 million. Depending on if there is a battle for his services or not. Personally i think come January he's on the other side of the pond, preferably Benefica :)
     
  17. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    That would depend if the coach was insane like the Swede was.
     
  18. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Could you please compare and contrast Jozy Altidore's talents, abilities, and production versus Walcott's?
     
  19. SoccerKowboy

    SoccerKowboy BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2007
    Virginia, USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting post, considering England's woes at striker. And wasn't Walcott's inclusion in England's WC roster universally ridiculed, especially in England?
     
  20. etastic

    etastic New Member

    Jul 14, 2007
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oh, just shut up already. If Altidore were a TRENDY footballing nationality, such as English/Brazilian/Argentinian/Italian, with the same exact skill, he would no doubt be valued at 10X his American value, and would already be signed to a huge contract at a CL club, probably vacillating between reserves and 1st team bench.

    Since Walcott is English, he is automatically over-valued by every English club. I realize Theo is good, but I have seen or heard nothing out of him that would make him better SKILL-WISE than Jozy.

    The only reason Walcott may be better in the future is because England has much better coaches than the US, not any inborn technical ability. Let's see, Arsene Wenger.....Bruce Arena. Jesus, no contest.
     
  21. Brandinho

    Brandinho Member

    None
    United States
    Feb 22, 2007
    New Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    England held Portugal (who many consider the best team in last years World Cup) to no goals, with less men and only lost on penalties. They don't suck and their players are very much World Class.
     
  22. Brandinho

    Brandinho Member

    None
    United States
    Feb 22, 2007
    New Jersey
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Negative nancy is back
     
  23. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    And the USA held the eventual world champion Italy to a draw with less men on the field at the end of the match. Point being?

    I know they don't suck, and I know they're better than US, but we don't exactly suck either.
     
  24. MLS_RM

    MLS_RM Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    chicago
    He'd be overrated as they tend to overate their players (Wolcott, Rooney, Owen)hed be considered the top young player in the world and when hed play and score in one tournament they would hold heir breath expecting him to do the same w every Intl appearance but get let down (aka Rooney). Plus hed be hurt all the time.
     
  25. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    no one considered Portugal to be the best team in the World Cup last summer...
     

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