I wonder if the Iraqi oil is well guarded? The missiles ain't...

At Iraqi Depot, Missiles Galore and No Guards
By RAYMOND BONNER and IAN FISHER

Published: October 17, 2003

MUSAYYIB, Iraq, Oct. 16 — It weighs more than a thousand pounds, so carting it away could present a few logistical problems for the average looter. But the fact remains that there is a very nice 15-foot-long missile, in mint condition, there for the taking, at one of Saddam Hussein's defense factories a few miles west of here.

The missile, along with a dozen ready-to-fire 107-millimeter antitank rounds, just a few feet away, is part of a problem that the American military has only begun to grapple with: as much as one million tons of ammunition is scattered around Iraq, much of it unguarded — like the armaments here — simply because the United States does not have the personnel to keep watch....

But Rummy knew more about it than Shinseki, who submitted that more ground troops were needed...who wants to bet that some of this ammo is being used to kill our men and women? Wow.

 

It does? Great. Now how 'bout addressing the thread, i.e., I didn't say that the pipeline was never attacked; I said that, as opposed to the ammo dumps apparently lying all about the *#*#*#*#ing country, the Iraqi oil pipeline has guards...whether or not those guards and/or that pipeline are nevertheless attacked or not is a debate you are having with yourself...

 

More like drags knuckles, but you wanna *#*#*#*# with me, okay...

What? WTF are you talking about? You are sitting in TEXAS, dickhead...The reporters are in Musayyib and Baghdad...how can I be taking advantage of anything? Are you arguing that the reporters in the field are wrong in submitting:

(1) it is important to secure these weapons and ordinance? Let me get this straight, intel-boy; you are countering this argument with the so-called insider-informed logic that "the the morons would most likely blow themselves up?" Is this the type of intel you are getting from TX? Giving (from TX)? Either way, if this is part of your analysis, stay the *#*#*#*# out of the intel loop, idiot. These "morons" have killed 387 of our folks who, unlike you, are in harm's way; unlike you, are concerned about not only these "morons" getting complete weapons systems with little to no effort, but more importantly, augmenting weapons systems they already have with parts from unguarded depots, and using those refurbished weapons systems to kill more G.I.'s...

You wanna talk *#*#*#*#? let's talk *#*#*#*#. What, exactly, is the useful substitutive parts count in an Exocet missile system? An SA-7? Come back with your guesses, then I'll TELL you how accurate you are, and where and how said parts can be used for other, more basic, weapons systems by those "morons" we can't seem to stop from killing Americans and others over there...

(2) You are saying that it is WRONG for the reporters, who are in the field, to say to you (in TX) and others that "It is impossible to know how much has been looted from this factory." Really? From Texas? Give me a *#*#*#*#ing break, Irish. Wait; maybe... Oh, you're saying its unimportant...that's very easy to submit from Texas...

Point: we have no idea what was in that factory; We don't really know much. We do know that the reporters, in the field, submit this: "Bedouins said the truck had belonged to looters who were captured several weeks ago by Americans." Captured, fine, but after looting the factory how many times? Once? Seven times? What did they get away with, is it being used to kill people now, and why the *#*#*#*# are you so blithe about the opportunity for unsecured weapons systems to be used against American troops?

Oh, I forgot, you're in Texas. Easy to talk *#*#*#*# from there...

This quote is so much fun; where do I begin? The blatant ignorance and stupidity is so *#*#*#*#ing rampant here, we'll take time out to just review one stupid section:

"SA-7s? great. a shoulder launched IR guided surafce to air missile. again complicated fusing. the morons would most likely blow themselves up before figuring out how to use it as an IED. what else do we have some 107 shells. great big grenades. congrats..."

Wow. You think an SA-7 system is complicated in any way? More specifically, how long do you think it would take my *#*#*#*#ING HALF-BLIND-ASS GREAT-UNCLE AND AUNT TO BE TRAINED ON HOW TO SUFFICIENTLY MANAGE THE SA-7 SYSTEM ENOUGH TO TARGET AND ENGAGE A US MILITARY (OR OTHERWISE CIVILIAN) AERIAL TARGET? I'll tell you; HALF A DAY. Period. End of dicsussion. Let me ask you this (And you go ask your intel boys who are supposedly enlightening you, so that you can come one here and sound like a goddamned idiot): How many redundant systems make up the SA-7? How does the fusing, in reality, work? Since you submit its "complicated," let's assume you are saying that its supposedly complicated for us smart Americans; that the "morons" couldn't possibly figure it out...how does it work, exactly? Again, you guess, and then I'll TELL you the correct answer, idiot.

In addition - and maybe more importantly - how many of our helicopters, post-Vietnam era, have given up the protective features of venting the exhaust air into the rotor wash (making it harder to lock onto such copters), for the balanced benefit of more speed and maneuverability? Have you asked any 'copter pilots whether or not they think finding unguarded SA-7s in areas wholly - or even MARGINALLY - accessilble to their enemies is "overblown" or not? You claim to be in a position of special knowledge about these things; you're not...You're exhibiting your very special ignorance and stupidity, and I pray to God you never are in a leadership position with regard to my kith or kin (two of which, unlike you, are in-country, not talking *#*#*#*# from TX), because its the very type of retarded thinking you are exhibiting here that would likely get you, and more importantly, others, killed for little to no reason at all...

In addition, how would you like to be the first set of planes in and out of a new Baghdad Airport, knowing that SA-7s are lying around Iraq, WERE lying around Iraq, until unprotected caches were simply picked up by irregulars? To argue against securing all these areas, against having more troops on the ground to do such things, would ONLY be the type of argument to spring from the comfort and safety of TEXAS; were you in-country, you wouldn't break breath to say something that *#*#*#*#ing GALACTICALLY stupid...

Not fast enough, my main *#*#*#*#ing point.

Again, my main *#*#*#*#ing pont and the reason I brought up the Shinseki approach as a solution that would have given U.S. troops a better opportunity to effectively manage this type of thing. Can you actually sit there, in TEXAS, and guarantee everyone here, on this Board, that no U.S. troops have been killed or wounded by weaponry from ammo dumps that, unsecured, have been accessed by Iraqis or others out to do the U.S. harm since Bush did his ************y landing on the carrier?

No?

Then shut the *#*#*#*# up and get onbaord with the notion of exhibiting a plan that protects your fellow men and women in uniform; the very ESSENCE of the *#*#*#*#ing article was to make clear that the problem is, WE DON'T KNOW, because these sites are, in fact, mostly unsecured...

For you to be reading so much, and know so little says all that needs to be said about your reading ability, the authors' writing ability, both, or neither (i.e., I'm willing to allow that there is some other factor outside of reading that leads to your abject ignorance and stupidity generally, and on this topic in particular)...


NEXT!

 

Right, dickface. And the General submits this IN THE ARTICLE:

|While [General Davis] said the job of guarding the dumps was not under his command, he said many of them were either protected by American soldiers or at least patrolled regularly.

But he conceded that some were not. "I don't know why we could not guard them all," General Davis said...

I don't know? Don't you see (maybe not, if you haven't been in the military) that this is clear code for a rip at the overall strategy of Rumsfeld and Bush?

General Davis admits that some dumps are neither guarded nor patrolled regularly. When asked why, he says, "I don't know."

What kind of General says "I don't know," unless he is letting you know, without directly telling you, that what he's REALLY saying is "The reason we haven't done our *#*#*#*#ign job here is because we haven't beeen given the TOOLS to do our *#*#*#*#ing jobe here," in a way that allows him to remain a leadership asset in the FOB and surrounding locales...

If, in fact, there are some dumps that are neither guarded nor patrolled regularly, don't you think that that is important, particularly in the light of your concession that GIs ought be concerned about, in your estimation, small arms, RPGs, (aim and fire, even the Mel could do it, despite the fact that his cranium is jammed up his colon), mines (rollover one, and kaboom!) and improvised explosive devices, using common explosives and very primitive radio detonators...????

Wake the *#*#*#*# up.

 

I am that I am.

 

Not silenced, fish-face; away spending QT with my wife and kids, enjoyig life; I only see you humps when I come to the office...and what a mess I have to clean up upon my return...

 

The fact that you can't imagine something...this is supposed to concern me?

In fact, I have lots of aquaintences; I would submit that I can almost count the people I would call friends on one hand...almost. I have about seven friends, three of which have been lifelong...

One of them is already a conservative Wall Street bond broker, so there's no room on-board this train for someone who thinks like you, if that's what your asking...your views and stance are already well represented, by my best man no less...

But don't worry; you'll find meaningful friends soon enough, keep plugging away...

 

This is wise.

Now that's just not true. In fact, a long time ago, when I was Universal, we had a discussion similar to what you areserving up below; that I just cut and paste; if you recall, I listed a whole series of posts where it was ALL opinion, some of which you chimed in on, of course against what I thought, where you - at that time - argued that I wasn;t succinct enought for you. So, to me, given your statements now and then, its really about the fact that when I give an opinon, you think it takes too long, and when I share likeminded or otherwise illuminating thinking. you're concerned that i haven't given an opinion (which, as mentioned above, you don't wanna hear 'cause it usually takes too long).

So, just to wrap up, you don't want to hear from me...hearing from me bothers you in some way.

Sorry; get used to it; or put me on igy; don't really care. Not going away, not changing my style or approach - due to this argument, in any case - and not leaving these issues alone.

Untrue. People - a minority, yes - support me regularly, and PM me to continue the dialogue, so this is mainly you repping you, and your compatriots; its you assuming, when there's no real reason for you to assume...you're lacking in the knowledge you'd need to have to speak intelligently here...avoid this area in the future.

Done your research? Come back when that's done. I do cite alot, but not all the time...the real question is, are the citations valid? Are they correct factually? And if they ae, what does that say about, well, your wourld of information, power, influence and authority?

Okay...so therefore what? you know people - black people, apparently - who come in your bar and complain. And because I take issue with the things I take issue with, that's analogous?

Try again. Because waiting for me to stop "complaining" about the issues I raise; well, that's like waiting for the sun not to rise...

No, this is true; I had stomach cancer in 94-95, and with my best man having seen that, I'd doubt he'd wish colon cancer on me, so you DO have him there...