Highest attendance for women’s club match

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  1. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1 soccersubjectively, Dec 21, 2021
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  2. flax

    flax Member

    Feb 8, 2012
    Sweden
    Spain surely has two of the highest from their monster attendances in league and cup in 2019

    Atlético v Barcelona in league


    Athletic v Atlético in Copa de la Reina
     
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  3. law10

    law10 Member+

    Dec 26, 2007
    Before women's football was banned domestically Dick Kerr Ladies had 54,562 and then 59,964 against West Brom on New Year's Day in 1920. That record lasted 99 years until broken by the above.
     
  4. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    The top four I know of in recent memory include the two Spanish matches mentioned above, plus 51,211 for Tigres vs Monterrey (May 2018) and 45,423 for Chelsea vs Arsenal (also May 2018). I think there have been several 30k+ matches in England, Spain, Italy, and Mexico in the past four years as well, but not sure which ones those are.

    Highest in the US was the inaugural WUSA match (April 2001, one of the few huge numbers that was NOT a double-header) when 34,148 packed into RFK for Washington Freedom vs Bay Area CyberRays. There have been four NWSL matches above Portland's previous cap of 21,144, though just one meeting and none yet above Portland's current cap of 25,218.

    =edit=
    I think Italy's top number is 39,027 (March 2019) for Juve vs Fiorentina.
     
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  5. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    *specification on my USA numbers above:
    Those were for standalone matches only. Obviously we had a Seattle-Portland double-header this year with the respective MLS sides that had 27,278 fans in total. There was also a WUSA Washingtion-vs-Carolina match (June 2001) that had 30,217 in attendance.
     
  6. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    The numbers in this thread are quite surprising to me. I did not think European attendance number had even a remote chance of beating US numbers. I am actually pleased that it is the case because I have always though that here, in the USA, we were paramount in women's club soccer and it is good to know, a: We are not as strong as I thought and 2: Europe supports women's soccer much better than I thought.

    Now if we in the US can get more butts in the seats in the NWSL and raise our level of play in the clubs maybe we can retain our current spot on top f the women's game.

    Good job Europe. I wonder what other countries or parts of the world have a truly effective women's league with good attendance.
     
  7. Bauser

    Bauser Member+

    Dec 23, 2000
    Norway
    Club:
    Fredrikstad FK
    These matches with +40K attendance are one-off games though, hardly representative for the leagues. Most teams in the big leagues in Europe play in front of crowds counted in the hundreds not thousands. The top teams may be 3-4000.
     
  8. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    #8 SiberianThunderT, Dec 21, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2021
    Yeah, taking about record attendances isn't representative of the average at all. As Bauser alluded to, league average is easily led by NWSL with around 5,000 per game, and I think LMXF has usually been second with roughly 2,000 to 3,000 per game. When you go to the week-in-week-out of European leagues, especially for the many clubs that don't have superclub status, attendance is absolutely woeful, making league averages hover around 1,000 (although I think the WSL at least is starting to buck that trend with a recent 3,000 average last season).

    Also worth pointing out that many of those hugely-attended games outside of the USA are achieved with steeply discounted (or outright free) ticketing. I think one of Spain's top two and a few of Mexico's top games were free to attend, but I'm not 100% sure on those; I know for a fact that Italy's record was free for fans. So these numbers are all basically just for hype and not a direct benefit to the clubs hosting. (To be fair, hype does have value on its own in potentially bringing in more future fans and/or enticing sponsors - it's just much more nebulous than actual ticket money.)

    Last note: a big reason that USA doesn't pull huge numbers is because our soccer stadiums aren't built to hold them. Remember that the Portland Thorns fairly regularly sell out their stadium, and Louisville has done well with filling out their stadium too. NWSL teams (and WUSA/WPS teams before them) literally can't pull huge numbers because they generally don't (can't) play in the stadiums that could hold them.
     
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  9. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This. Juventus also recently had the record attendance for a UEFA Women's Champions' League match outside of the quarter-finals and above, with 16.781 for Juventus-Chelsea at Allianz Stadium in Turin. But, of course, it was a free-admission match. :coffee:
     
  10. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Think many would go if it was only about 5 dollars?
     
  11. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Attendances 2021/22 season (home games only)

    NWSL (US) - league average 4380 (full regular season)

    Portland Thorns - 9158
    OL Reign - 5240
    NC Couraage - 4125

    FA WSL (ENG) - league average 1976 (10 rounds in)

    Arsenal - 3562
    Chelsea - 3169
    Everton - 2999

    WE League (JPN) - league average 1715 (10 rounds in)

    INAC Kobe - 2650
    Urawa Reds - 2564
    Omiya Ardija - 2333

    Frauen Bundesliga (GER) - league average 682 (12 rounds in)

    Eintracht Frankfurt - 1190
    Turbine Potsdam - 1105
    SGS Essen - 922

    Division 1 Feminine (FRA) - league average 647 (11 rounds in)

    Lyon - 2615
    Paris - 1185
    Dijion - 988
     
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  12. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Think 2019 attendances was going up big. Chelsea especially was pretty packed.
     
  13. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    #13 blissett, Dec 22, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2021
    Not sure. What I do know is that the choice of making it a free-admission event was aimed at different benefits than the immediate ticket money. There are benefits that are intangible (at least at the moment), but can be as important on the long run as the financial ones.

    @SiberianThunderT mentioned the hype-value, especially for a new or growing team (or for a new or growing league). In the case of Juventus, the crowd at the home match was specifically there to support the performance of the team and to help them reaching the goal of qualifying to the quarter-finals of the Champions' League for the first time in the club's history (that indeed has happened, although that specific record-attendance match vs Chelsea was lost by 1-2; the kind of performance on that evening, though, made it clear that Juventus could compete and gave them confidence for the subsequent matches).

    Advancing to the quarter-finals of the WCL was so huge for the club that the ticket money was just an afterthought there (the benefits are countless: prestige, sponsors-money, TV-rights-money, playing some more matches that can gather an even bigger crowd, attracting new top-players who could decide it's worth signing for the club, you name it!).
     
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  14. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey gang, just wanted to show what I have thus far. Lots of missing spots but I was really surprised to find so many games with 20k+. 81 in total and 29 games with 30k+. (I didn't count any double headers as those are obviously boosted numbers.)

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...p4bGWaKMC-8TSXnUDucettUj5aePoTZyBNUrQ/pubhtml

    It's color coded to show recent (blue, within 5 years), red (2000-2017), and gray (Dick Kerr's Ladies).

    I know a lot of this information is available somewhere. It just got a little tedious so I'm drawing a pause here for now.

    Something of note, within the last 5 years, Mexico (11), England (7), and Spain (3) have had the most 30k+ crowds (unless I'm missing some games, of course).
     
  15. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Lyon v Frankfurt Olympic Stadium, Munchen, Germany
    Lyon v Chelsea, Groupama Stadium , Lyon, France
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I think most of the WUSA attendances you listed are actually double-headers themselves... There are only three standalone WUSA matches above 20k
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_attendances_in_United_States_club_soccer#Women's_soccer
    https://web.archive.org/web/20150906213759/http://www.kenn.com/soccer/results/leagues/wusa.html
     
  17. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah! Thank you : )

    I think these numbers are actually on the men's side but the sentence is a little clunky: https://www.forbes.com/sites/asifbu...d-potential-of-womens-soccer/?sh=1bf4c39632d8
     
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  18. law10

    law10 Member+

    Dec 26, 2007
    Yes 53K+ and 99 years.
     
  19. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    yes women's football used to draw big crowd in England before the long ban by the FA.
     
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  20. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Pre WW2 FA was great at destroying opportunities. They cost England 3 WC (men) and clear dominance of the Women's game.
     
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  21. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    #21 Lechus7, Dec 27, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2021
    In addition to the list:

    37th Empress Cup (Japan) - December 27th, 2015
    Final match - Kawasaki Todoroki Stadium (Kawasaki)
    Albirex Niigata 0 - 1 INAC Kobe Leonessa
    Sawa 78'
    Attendance 20 379

    (It was Homare Sawa last match before retirement)
     
  22. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    Bit off topic but some interesting data on top leagues developement (media):
    (by RESULT Sports)

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  23. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    https://www.90min.com/posts/barcelo...u-tickets-womens-champions-league-real-madrid

    Barcelona surpass 50,000 Camp Nou ticket sales for Women's Champions League tie

    Tickets start from €9 and demand among eager fans keen to watch the Champions League holders, who are favourites to sweep to the trophy again in 2022, is clearly huge. There is every reason to believe that sales will continue to grow and grow ahead of the game on 30 March.


    Think they should have charge 15 per ticket, they would still have reached 50k.
     
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  24. law10

    law10 Member+

    Dec 26, 2007
    Most tickets are 16 euros. The cheaper ones are behind the net. That said, the average Spaniard is not as well off as in the North or many places in North America.
     
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  25. Lechus7

    Lechus7 Member+

    Aug 31, 2011
    Wroclaw
    In addition to the list:
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    2011 Nadeshiko League 1 (Japan), August 6th, 2011
    Denka Big Swan Stadium (Niigata City)
    Albirex Niigata 1 - 2 INAC Kobe Leonessa

    Attendance 24 546

    (Not 100% sure, but it's probably record attendance for women's league match in Japan)
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    2012 Nadeshiko League 1 (Japan), July 31st, 2011
    Kobe Universiade Memorial Stadium (Kobe)
    INAC Kobe Leonessa 3 - 1 Okayama Yungo Belle

    Attendance 21 236
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    (Top 3 women's club attendances in Japan - again not 100% sure)
     

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