He Scores When He Wants .. - The Marcus Rashford Thread

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  1. Ashur

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    Was not aware that his shoulder was still an issue. I get that guys want to play pretty much no matter what but surely that is something that Ole has to be aware of.
    And given how he's performing of late (on top of being obviously tired), it seems it would be only natural to try to protect and spell him than he has so far: as the coach he is in a position to do so.
    For all the good qualities Ole has demonstrated, there still are characteristics that are odd and terribly frustrating (failure to protect players from themselves is definitely one of them). We already saw what happened last season when he was playing thru a bad back and end up missing serious time because of it.
     
  3. benni...

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    When its this bad, maybe he should just rest or get surgery now.

    Are we really that desperate and single minded? Are we really going to risk longer term damage for a top 4 finish? Its not even a league title.

    If Bruno says, why rest me, Im not tired... I can understand even if he's wrong. But if Marcus is saying Im fine, protect the kid.
     
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  4. Ashur

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    #1129 Ashur, Mar 4, 2021
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    Imagine that Ole knows that his job is on the line if he fails to finish in the top 4 or secure CL via winning the EL. Regardless, it's irrelevant when compared to looking after the well being of his players, not to mention the obvious also: that Rashford currently is proving almost useless (some might even say a liability). As stated though, it's no excuse: it's just the only way some of his decisions make some kind of sense to me...
    We better hope that nothing serious happens to him though going forward. Unfortunately, and while I don't believe it to be necessarily intentional on Ole's part, it can be argued there is a pattern forming here: Rashford injury with his back or playing Pogba in a meaningless League Cup game when he already wasn't at 100% and led to him missing a huge chunk of the season (and needing I believe a couple of surgeries).
    It also stands to reason that part of the blame probably could be attributed to our medical staff as well. After all, it's their job to assess and look after player's fitness and well being when they suffer from any kind of ailment or injury.
     
  5. Ashur

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    Not all that reassuring, if this report from Ducker is true...
    "Rash's injury has resulted in a pretty serious inflammation in his shoulder and limits his mobility in games, especially his capacity to jump and hold the ball up.
    His teammates are astonished that he's able to play, despite the pain."

    That definitely explains a lot and the more we learn about this, the more damning it gets. Don't think it's out of bounds to suggest that he shouldn't be playing: a bad fall on it or perhaps a solid bang from an opposing player could cause serious damage. Looking forward to hear what Ole will have to say about this, now that it's been made public...
    So that's 2 players we have currently, playing heavy mins while carrying a pretty significant injury that would appear to require surgery: Vic and his back being the other (Ole mentioned again yesterday that he's in serious pain and his status was uncertain at this time.
     
  6. Ashur

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    His overall game clearly has not been anywhere near his best on a consistent level this season. Yet, it's still pretty remarkable that he's managed to record 18 goals, along 11 assists so far.
    Can't help but being a bit worried about him after it's been revealed his shoulder is still a pretty major issue. And like Vic, he does deserve some credit for persevering thru the pain and trying his best but it's probably also fair to wonder (and even assume) whether this injury (along with the obvious fatigue) is seriously affecting his performance level at this point.
    The time left between the end of the club season, followed by the Euros he's probably going to take part in, before he can genuinely address the problem, is also a bit of a concern. Fingers crossed he does not aggravate the situation between now and then...
     
  7. benni...

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    And hes going to go to the Euros and play on that bad shoulder... then hes going to go to the world cup im the winter of 2022.

    Poor kid. Hope he's investing well.
     
  8. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    well his brand is already robust so there's that
     
  9. Ashur

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    "Marcus wants to play for England and I hope he will be fit. If he can play for us before the intl break, I don't see why he can't play for England. He's proud to represent England."
    "I spoke to Southgate and he will pick Marcus if he's fit. There is absolutely no problem."
     
  10. Ashur

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    This is interesting also: I thought the verdict was that he needed surgery at some point...
     
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  11. MizzouMUFC

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    Can someone explain to me why this guy joined up with England when he's been injured for the last month and too hurt to play against Milan (only 45) and LC?

    This type of shit wouldn't fly if SAF were around. Ole should send a message and bench his ass. If he's too hurt to play for United then he's too hurt to play for his country. Bottom line.
     
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  12. Chaz Striker

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    Too much pressure for young players to play for England in major tournaments. Even though they’re shite, the pressure is massive.
     
  13. MizzouMUFC

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    True. What I'm saying is SAF made it easy for them. He told them your not ********ing going. Tell the manager your hurt or sit in the stands for United for the next month.
     
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    Great words/mindset from Rashford, but to truly being able to be at your best and give it your all, you have to be fit as well.
    Pace yourself and think about the big picture.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Sofabloke

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  16. Ashur

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  17. Anonymous_United

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    Still not good enough..
     
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  18. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    unreasonable statement.

    besides Bruno he is the only one pulling his weight offensively (possibly McTominay who has a few goals) even with his erratic performances and decision making. that is one thing no one can deny him - his output is there

    worse when you consider he has essentially carried the goal scoring burden for this team for most of the time period since he broke into the first team. compare it to the last striker to break through - Welbeck - who had the luxury of the team being mature and a well oiled machine for him to score in a 5-0 and shimmy dance and all that.

    it's been unfair on Rashford in some ways to carry that burden without even having half of the team support Welbeck did
     
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  19. Anonymous_United

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    Why would you compare him to Welbeck anyway ? I think Rashford and Martial both have shared the burden of scoring goals under ole but both are mixed bags. Fernandes is elite.
     
  20. Naboomagnoli

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    I don't think you can say it's unfair Rashford is putting in the goals or carrying the burden without support, when he so frequently refuses to use support anyway.

    It's great that he has managed to score as many goals as he has this season. But unfortunately there isn't yet a stat for how many assists he's cost us by refusing to release the ball and play in strikers who are wide open, or how many times he's failed to make runs into the box to get on the end of a ball across the box, or how often he demands the ball to feet rather than making a run that frees up other players.

    He's obviously been carrying injuries, which is an even bigger reason to sign Sancho as someone who can play on both wings. But Rash's ceiling will be defined by whether he gets his head around this. He could either have a Shaw-esque leap in quality, or he could always be two or three tiers below where he should be.
     
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  21. Anonymous_United

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    Bingo and we hope that leap is definite not volatile.
     
  22. Sofabloke

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  23. Anonymous_United

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    Need to improve, if he can sort out his finishing and be bit more exciting in box he can get us 30 goals.
     
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  24. Ashur

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    Can't be denied that production wise, Rash has steadily progressed and like him or not, he has become an important part of our attack and team as a whole.
    His game is definitely maddening at times and eventhough I believe Ole has done a pretty decent job with him in some areas, I believe that another coach could help him take his game to the next level.
    The main concern for now though is his health and fitness: while it speaks of his commitment that he's very willing to play thru pain, it's just not the smartest thing. Not to mention the obvious also that the fitter he is, the better he will feel and play). Has to learn how to pull it back, for the sake of the longevity of his career...
     
  25. Ashur

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