Rumor: Have I Heard:Dinho's Dead???...

Teso, why do you feel the need to consistantly do this. You always have opinions that go against the grain. I know what you are trying to do. By disagreeing to what is common thought you are saying that...

"Well, the casual watcher, or at first glance it seems this happend, but the more astute observer can look deeper into the event and see that this is what really happend."

You are trying to make yourself seem more intelligent and more of an expert on football .

Ronaldinho was the best in the world from 2004-2006. He could do everything that Cristiano Ronaldo could do, but with the awareness and passing or Pirlo or Xavi.

You did the same thing after the recent Liverpool vs Man Utd match. It was clear to everyone that Van der Saar made a mistake, but you had to go against common though, and said that he didn't do anything wrong, and that it was Brown's mistake.

Rant over.

 

Agree

 

So what you are trying to say is that Ronaldinho and Ronaldo knew their true standing?

You are a new poster, there is nothing wrong with that, but you need to realise that I have been through these discussions in depth and often years before you joined this board. So when I make a statement I make it with the knowledge that I have already been through all of the issues with people who think as you do. Just because something is 'common thought' does not make it true unless you want to start discussing this flat world we inhabit and the geocentric model of the universe.

 

So then you are implying Ronaldinho was not the best on his team during his peak years? I do like to see how you would argue that point.

 

Although I don't agree with Teso, I can see where he is coming from. He is very likely to have in mind the fact that Ronaldinho, while the most talented of all the players from 2004-2006, was pretty inconsistent. This is particularly true for his second Barca season, when he has shown his brilliance only in spurts. While he delivered excellent moments, especially against the big teams, there were also distinct periods of time, especially around october 2004 or december-january, when he didn't do much.

Depends what you rate. If, like Dark Savante for instance, judge players according to how they perform against the best sides in the world, then Ronaldinho's your man. But, if you judge from a day-per-day basis, strictly calendaristic, then Ronaldinho's status can indeed be questioned.

 

I agree, there were periods in which his form would dip, but the same could be said about Ronaldo who was less than stellar in euros and would go missing against some of the top squads last season. In regards to Ronaldinho, when he was on form he was without question the best player imo, and the most influential on Barca's success.

 

Ronaldinho is as good as he was in 2002 just wait.

When Ronaldinho plays his best - no one (not even C. Ronaldo) can hang with him (with the exception of Zidane).

I'm not a Brazil supporter - I go with England or Nigeria And thats my 2 cents. He will do well in the next world cup if he gets called up. But I don't think I can rate him above Zidane for the past 15 years - Zidane is too consistent. Ronaldinho has flashes of brilliance.

 

You're rating Zidane....above Ronaldinho?

Ronaldinho had a FAR bigger impact at Barca than Zidane ever did on any team he ever played for. Barca was formed around Ronaldinho.

Ronaldinho was also a far bigger impact in a WC than Zidane ever proved to be. Zidane hardly did anything in 98, whereas Ronaldinho was key in 2002.

 

Are you kidding? Lol. I'm a fan of both of the players. Zidane consistently played well throughout his reign as the best player in the world. Ronaldinho disappeared for awhile had a shoddy performance in 2006 and what not...

Zidane hardly did anything in 98...didn't France win that WC? Didn't Zidane score 2 headers in the final to beat one of the best Brazlian squads of all time.

Top form Ronaldo - Cafu - Dunga - Rivaldo - Roberto Carlos - Bebeto and more...

I think Zidane did a little something in '98.

BTW Zidane was a key player in all his club teams, hardly expendable.

 

Not this Zidane rubbish again.

 

Meh, I'm far from a "dickrider" is what I call them. But I think I have a valid point

I see you kinda just run around making these snobbish and snide remarks. To each his own I guess

 

Read my previous post to 'Big Soccer Member' and, no, you do not have a valid point.

 

Just join in the conversation And by the way, who are you to judge anyone? Lol.

 

I guess you're referring to this - Well if you've been over everything so many times how about sitting out of the conversations instead of trying to ruin it for everyone else with worthless/spineless remarks.

If you want to make a point then feel free to try and attempt to prove it. And also if you've been through these discussions so much..You might want to get out of the house I'm out.

 

You made the initial claim so the onus is on you to prove it. I'll also stay 'in the house' because the only way to dispel a myth and prevent it from being passed on is to confront it head on.

 

But you haven't said anything at all. Do us all a favor and dispel the myth.

 

You, on the other hand, have said plently. Do enjoy trying to prove that Zidane was consistent and that he was, and I quote, 'a key player in all his club teams, hardly expendable'. Over to you.

 

Zidane is a myth lol. Tell the rest of the world that because you are just so much smarter.

 

Consider the following three players:

Better overall: Riquelme
Higher peak: Rivaldo
Longer peak: Mendieta

Three different players named for three different reasons (although there is a lot of crossover between them).

 

Sounds me really strange anyone consider Riquelme better overall than Ronaldinho, I think the Argentine is very underneath in the "historic list" about the Brazilian.

I'm could be agree about Rivaldo had a higher peak, I'm not sure but, if it was, I believe the difference is almost indistinguishable.

 

It depends on whether we are talking about Ronaldinho or Zidane, although my list applies to both.

As you mentioned Riquelme you should note that he was outperforming Ronaldinho in La Liga despite playing with a worse supporting cast and that was during the period of time when Ronaldinho was considered to be the best around.

 

I'm only referring about Ronaldinho, as you know, I rated Zidane over them.

That should be the difference of the points of view, I don't believe Riquelme has outperformed Ronaldinho in La Liga; he was really good sometimes but never reach the high peak of Ronaldinho.