Hardest/Easiest World Cup Route

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  1. Spectreman

    Spectreman New Member

    Feb 2, 2003
    NW America
    I've noticed that some teams get really lucky like Turkey playing Brazil Costa Rica and China barely make it out of the group over Costa Rica then in the following matches they get Japan and Senegal. They should have just handed them a ticket directly to the semis with those opponents.

    On the other side Paraguay has gone out in the Ro16 in the last two world cups. The first they lost on a golden goal to the eventual champions and then they lost by one to the second place team.

    Can you think of any similiar situations?
     
  2. celito

    celito Member+

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I've said it before ... Germany played: Paraguay, USA, and South Korea to get to the final. Paraguay has the biggest tradition in that group. And they barely made it through with 1x0 victories.
     
  3. Borruma

    Borruma Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dublin
    And the Paraguay game was the worst game of that tournament...

    Hardest route to the WC that I can think of was Italy 82' after the group stage:
    2nd group round
    Argentina
    Brazil
    Semi Finals
    Poland
    Final
    West Germany.
     
  4. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet Germany could have played teams that were much more highly regarded, but simply failed to deliver. If Mexico had beaten the United States, and either Italy or Spain had beaten South Korea, then we'd be calling Germany's road to the final one of the more difficult in recent history.
     
  5. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
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    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To their credit, Germany did come out of a fairly difficult group... topping a group containing both Ireland (who had put out Holland in the qualifiers) and African champions Cameroon - whom they played while down to ten men for most of the match. Topping their group game them a deserved easier route in and neither Paraguay nor the US were pushovers and the Koreans were playing at home. I do agree that they were able to avoid the "traditional" powerhouses though. Turkey's route I do agree with - especially their first round group.
     
  6. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Argentina in 1978. On the way to the final, they played the following teams:

    First round:
    Hungary
    France
    Italy
    Second round:
    Brazil
    Poland
    Peru
    Final:
    Holland

    Not the hardest draw ever but was fairly tough draw. The result against Peru has been considered as strange.
     
  7. pasoccerdave

    pasoccerdave Member

    Mar 30, 2004
    SE Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is that?
     
  8. Bertje

    Bertje New Member

    Nov 10, 2004
    Leiden
    Not to mention the terrible referee who really worked against them. I'll take your drugged Juve team over these Argentine basterds any day.
     
  9. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The Czechs had a tough draw in 1962 and they weren't rated highly. In most clashes they had went in as underdogs.

    First round:
    Spain
    Brazil
    Mexico (their only weak opposition but they somehow managed to lose)
    Quarter-Finals
    Hungary
    Semi-Finals:
    Yugoslavia
    Final:
    Brazil

    I have listed some tough draws but the one borruma listed was the toughest which was Italy's in 1982.
     
  10. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I didn't say that Argentina were a great team which they weren't. Argentina won because made the most of their home advantage, politicians and dodgy referees. Holland weren't as good as they were in 1974 but if the World Cup wasn't in Argentina, Holland would have won without a doubt. Arie Haan's goal against Italy is probably the greatest long-range shot I've seen. I was thinking of putting up the teams Holland played but I wasn't sure which team had a harder draw. The Dutch played Iran in the group stage and in terms of individuals, Hungary would have been more of a threat than Iran although the Hungarians lost all three matches. To add to that, Hungary had their two star players sent off against Argentina and what they had done was nothing compared to what some of the Argentinians did.
     
  11. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
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    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Argentina won 6-0 and Peru didn't seem like they were trying. Peru had a good team which had players like Teofilo Cubillas and Hugo Sotil but there was a catch. Ramon Quiroga, Peru's goalkeeper, was originally from Argentina and some of those goals could have been save easily.
     
  12. Jay510

    Jay510 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Gadsden Purchase, AZ
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brazil 1994 may have had a pretty tough route, but it might have been them not playing properly in all games.

    the Group stage had Cameroon, Russia and Sweden, three decent sides...

    in round 2 they played uninspired against an ordinary USA team without Tab Ramos, and got a late goal

    Then they Played Holland against one of hollands better teams of all time, Sweden again (rematches are never easy) and Italy...

    had they not been maybe the 5th best team ever, they might not have won
     
  13. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They had a tough draw but it probably wasn't their hardest.
     
  14. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    But when you write it like this people get the impression that
    Argentina actually made it to the final by beating all these
    tough teams. They didn't. They lost to Italy and drew Brazil
    0-0. Not the most credible of WC winners . . .
     
  15. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Arg in 90 had the toughest route:

    Bra, Czeck, Italy (as host) and Germany
     
  16. Borruma

    Borruma Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    Dublin
    Argentina 90' had Yugoslavia in the quarters not the Czechs. Oh and they played like complete crap.

    I'd actually think that Germany's route in 1990 was harder than Argentina's (Uae Excepted) and unlike the Argies they won the majority of their games:
    Group Stage:
    Yugoslavia, UAE, Colombia
    2nd Round:
    Netherlands
    Quarter Finals:
    Czechoslovakia
    Semi Finals:
    England
    Final:
    Argentina

    Out of all the victors I'd say Brazil 02' had the easiest route to the WC, only really one tough opponent, who froze after going 1-0 up. Brazil 94' and Argentina 86' weren't the toughest but they were still pretty hard.
     
  17. Sagy

    Sagy New Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    True, but didn't they advance as a third place team. They should consider themselves lucky to get to the round of 16.
     
  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    It should also be stated that going into that match, Argentina and Peru knew that a 4-0 or greater scoreline would put the hosts into the final.
    The other game in that group, Brazil 3-1 Poland, ended approx. a half-hour before Arg-Peru kicked off. In the days leading up to those matches Brazil had lobbied to FIFA - unsuccessfully - for both matches to kickoff simultaneously.
    It was this situation and, especially, the 1982 West Germany 1-0 Austria debacle that finally led FIFA to have the final first-round matches within the same group kickoff with the same start times. ;)
     
  19. bigdelta

    bigdelta New Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    Orlando
    Answering the original thread question,"Hardest/Easiest World Cup Route",
    the answers would be Easiest-Asia,Hardest-CONMEBOL.
     
  20. Se Me Dao

    Se Me Dao New Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Indianapolis
    Brazil had as tough a road as they could, considering all the choking by the traditional powers. They did beat the runner-up Germans easily, and the 3rd place team Turkey TWICE, along with the English. I wouldn't call it the toughest of tournaments, but it was a legitimate road.

    Of course, the shameful part was how the referees protected the host teams with atrocious calls.
     
  21. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Italy 82 and Czechoslovakia 62 have already been mentioned, and I would probably put them as the two hardest routes to the final. Others I would mention would be:

    Brazil 58 - England and USSR in the groups were both very tough, Wales in the last 8 were missing John Charles but gave them their sternest test, France had a fantastic side lead by Kopa and Fontaine and Sweden in Stockholm were a very strong team.

    Hungary 54 - OK the group couldn't even be classed as mildly challenging, but to face Brazil in the quarters and Uruguay (unbeaten at the World Cup) in the Semis ranks as tough as any similar route to the final.
     
  22. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Good point.

    The Italy and Argentina match must have been one of the matches of 1978 tornament.

    Another suspicious thing happened during that World Cup. After the Italy vs Argentina clash, the referee Abraham Klein was sent home and he did nothing controversial. I suppose the fact that Argentina lost when he was refereeing pissed the Argentinians off too much.
     
  23. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They did. Cameroon was on top, Romania second, Argentina third with the Soviets on the bottom.

    ------------- P W D L Gls Pts
    CAMEROON 3 2 0 1 3-5 4
    ROMANIA 3 1 1 1 4-3 3
    ARGENTINA 3 1 1 1 3-2 3
    Soviet Union 3 1 0 2 4-4 2


    The Argentinians did have a tough draw in 1990 but when considering that it was Argentina and the team they had, they shouldn't belong in this thread.
     
  24. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Brazil 58's draw also has to rank among the toughest.

    Hungary 54's group was a walkover for them though it did help that the West Germans didn't put on their strongest team. Then again it wouldn't have made a difference if West Germany did, the Hungarians had always seem to be the better team except in the Final where the circumstances were different. For instance, Puskas wasn't 100 per cent fit, the pitch was wet and towards the end Puskas had a goal disallowed.
     
  25. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I couldn't agree more.
     

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