And I really wonder if this was the actual game plan of Hamas all along. Not that of the grunts who are doing the dirty work and dying, mind you, but the leaders who are relatively untouchable. It would be a pretty smart plan, do a brutal hit-and-run attack that prompts Israel to take drastic action, then sit back while Israel retaliates and let their actions and social media reporting those actions turn the world against them even more than they were already.
I suspect it's less strategic than that, as the Oct 7 attack rallied massive support for Israel. But i do agree that they might now see it that way now
Temporarily, sure, but it would’ve been a solid bet that that wouldn’t last once Israel started retaliating.
I'm in the camp that doubts Hamas expected the attack to be such a "catastrophic success" ETA - the trouble with wars is they end up with their own twisted logic.
I'm sure Hamas expected some retaliation, maybe even more than what we've seen in 2021, but probably not on the scale we've seen. With that said, the "social network" component was always part of their strategy. The more the better. That aspect of "digital" warfare was without a doubt part of their plan. The fact that they haven't released most of the hostages yet is playing in their favor. Nobody expects them to do the "right" thing, certainly not Gazans and certainly not the greater West, so the more damage IDF causes, the more "martyr-like" they look. Of course IDF is also helping them in that regard, but I think the viciousness of the 10/7 attack is still the driving force behind the decisions of the Netanyahu government.
There are analyses that claim the response Israel/idf has unfolded has a deterrence charge in it to show enemies to what level they're prepared to go to. "Any means we have at our disposal will be used to destroy you". The rethorics used in the in here viled social media posts might in that way play a role of psychological warfare, portraying yourself as a murderous bunch that has no moral limits, as part of that deterrence strategy.
Of course, the situation is complicated by Palestinian 'hostages', as many of the Palestinians refer to them, (prisoners as the Israelis call them, obviously), held by Israel, many of them in administrative detention without trial, often for years. I think it's like a lot of things in this dispute. If we accept the narrative from one side, (the Israelis in this instance), the position is very simple but if we're prepared to at least consider the other side, it gets more complex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel I don't know how this matter can be sorted out but I'd suggest it's not QUITE as simple as saying the hostages should be set free as a 'standalone' statement with no reference to a wider agreement. Having said that, of course, they should be set free.
In all honesty I think most of the conversations in this forum were more intelligent and more enlightening than THAT exchange.
There are also many more that have been injured, many significantly and from which they might die and even THAT'S not including the ones that might die from malnutrition or disease. It wouldn't surprise me if we ended up with over 100,000 dead Palestinians at the end of this. Hope I'm wrong, obviously I wonder if we'll be allowed to call it the 'G' word then?
Houthis' Latest Assaults on Shipping Underscore Challenges to America in Battle of the Red Sea New York Sun|3 days ago Seems a month of bombing hasnot made any impression on the Houthi.
Well, how about that Gaza conflict: Israel pressing US and others to continue funding Unrwa - report The Irish Times|16 days ago If Unrwa was disabled now, the Israeli army, as the occupying force, would be obliged to assume its responsibilities for Gaza's 2.3 million displaced and distressed Palestinians, 70 per cent of ...
I understand what you're saying and I agree to an extent but the problem is that seems to imply that the Israelis HAVE to massively overreact to any provocation.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/national/fam...ts-1-1-million-children-face-starvation/9892/ ‘Families forced to forage food left by rats, 1.1 million children face starvation’ Families in Gaza are forced to forage for scraps of food left by rats and eating leaves out of desperation to survive with nearly five months of war and rapidly declining aid supplies leaving all 1.1 million children in Gaza facing starvation, Save the Children said. An aid worker for Save the Children who is currently in Rafah said her relatives in northern Gaza have been driven to desperate measures to survive. I read a few days ago a poster claiming Israel is supplying food. So "Save the Children" are a bunch of liars and most likely hamas friends.
Not HAVE to, but likely to. And the sheer brutality and depravity of the 10/7 attack made it much more likely. If it had been a simple military attack that would be one thing, but widespread rape and torture of civilians is quite another, and much more likely to result in an extreme response.
There was a video a few days ago where a man in Gaza found a small boy sleeping in the middle of a road at night, he picked him up and took him somewhere safe and the boy told him all his family were killed and he slept on the unlit road in the hope someone would run him over https://t.co/rXqc0vBjZe— Tom Gara (@tomgara) February 22, 2024
WATCH | Houthi missile attack targets humanitarian ship near Yemen's Aden, risking aid delivery, says USDespite the incident, the vessel's crew proceeded to Aden and successfully delivered grain, continuing their mission to provide humanitarian aid to Yemen. pic.twitter.com/3UmGI6TqYt— The Times Of India (@timesofindia) February 21, 2024
Well, here's what Bibi has proposed for "the day after." In the words of Jenna Jameson, that's quite a lot to swallow. The Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu finally proposed his Gaza Strip “Day After” Plan earlier today to the Israeli Security Cabinet which will only begin after the Total Destruction of Hamas alongside the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and includes:- Freedom of Activity… pic.twitter.com/RD2UnvHo1R— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 23, 2024
looks like the US is going to propose its own UN ceasefire HIGHLY SIGNIFICANT: This will be the first time the US will side In the UNSC, with ordering a ceasefire in Gaza. Here's hoping it proceeds and succeeds. US proposes UN resolution calling for ‘temporary ceasefire’ in Gaza https://t.co/5sqftyBs2o— James Grant (@JamesGrantZA) February 20, 2024
I was about to point that out. Also the comment about the hostages being released. This simply the administration attempting to say “we tried”
Caught a report about this the other day on TV, (although this wasn't the source)... https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise...-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030 Apparently Islamophobic attacks have increased by 335% over the same 4 month period last year.