Hamas Attacks, Israel Responds

Oh, so everyone is equal but some people are a little more equal than others. Presumably in the same way that Englishmen, Frenchman and Germans could ALL move about freely in apartheid era south Africa... just not the black ones.

Oh yeah, that's totally different.

 

THIS.... The gaslighting is spreading here as well....Insane.

 

In the long run this will be bad for Israel as people are just waking up to the fact that the arguments used to support them among our leaders are mostly bullshit. Of course, some of us have known it for a long time but now others are just beginning to realise it, particularly the young.

 

A flat statement that "any Palestinian can go anywhere in Israel" clearly is, as you put it, "nonsense".

Then again, in your own post the guy doesn't say that and is very obviously talking about Israel and the Arabs who live in it, not Arabs from Gaza or the West Bank.

It's true that Arabs in Israel have increasingly come to be referred to as Palestinians or "Palestinians in Israel" over the last 20 years or so, as opposed to Israeli Arabs as before, but to state that he was talking about Palestinians who don't live in Israel is, well, gaslighting.

 

A sad loss, that guy. Born near Tunbridge Wells, IIRC.

 

I quoted the article which said that he stated...

'If you go to Israel, I promise you, at a shop or restaurant, everybody goes to any place they want.'​

It doesn't seem to say everybody except for blah, blah, blah, does it so I'm not sure what you're on about, tbh. The phrase 'everybody' would seem to include... well, everybody.

Unless you can point me at something I've missed?

Frankly, it's irrelevant anyway. We can all see what the situation is so quite why I have to be guided as to the situation from some fella who visited for 5 days I'm not sure.

As it happens I've known several Israelis over the years and the idea they ALL accept that line is just a lie.

 

If a foreigner who's visited America says that there's no apartheid in America because

'If you go to America, I promise you, at a shop or restaurant, everybody goes to any place they want.'​

it's pretty perverse to suggest that there is apartheid in America because some people, Costa Ricans say, who aren't US citizens or permanent residents haven't been given visa or entry permits.

Happy to be of help, even if it's only to state the obvious.

 

Indeed. Including quoting Toni Morrison.

 

Look at the first sentence in his post.

Of course he left out the issues on the other side. He also didn’t mention the Houston Dynamo, because he stayed on topic.

You’re revealing your preferences again.

 

In fairness to Deadtigers, I don’t think, based on his posts in this thread and elsewhere, that he’s anti Semitic. I think he is blindly seeing this conflict as colonialism. That’s why his posts are jacked up, because he misunderstands what he’s talking about,

 

Oh, so to clarify, this comes back to the fact that the Israelis aren't including ALL of the land over which they exercise control, only the bits they WANT to include and not ALL of the people over whose lives they have control, just the ones they WANT to include.

Maybe the south Africans missed a trick there.

They should have said that blacks can go anywhere in south Africa except the bits they can't go where the white ones live and by white we mean only the people we deem to be white.

Yeah, that would have been better. No way could THAT be said to be apartheid

Also, maybe the white supremacists in America are missing a trick because they could just deem America to be the bits the white people occupy not those other people... you know the ones

 

Okay.

Victory will be if Hamas can no longer pull off a similar attack.

 

So, never then.

 

Jitty meant what Gaza will look like following the victory. Both in practical terms but also its status going forward.

 

Nothing in his post was about morality. You put the word “evil” out there, not him.

Why? Seriously, why?

 

Yeah, like I said in the follow up post, they're just 'deeming' it not to be Israel but then, if the west bank ISN'T Israel, why are they still building settlements there? Why are they still exercising control over the people that live there? Why are still carving ever greater slices of Palestinian land off so what remains becomes not viable?

Like I say, they want to control but they don't want any of the responsibility.

 

Yeah,that to me is a far more interesting discussion.

If Israel has any plans at all about what the day after victory will look like, or what the next steps will be, I sure as hell don’t know what they are.

 

In other words, it’s not at all like Northern Ireland.

QED