Segun entiendo, decidió retirarse, ya a cierta edad. Tomando en cuenta que se inicio como entrenador en 1974, y que todavia (si mal no recuerdo) entrenaba equipos mayores al final de la decada de los 1990s, ademas de haber trabajado en el proceso de Maradiaga en 2004-2005. Fueron poco mas de 30 años de carrera de entrenador solamente. Si le sumamos el tiempo que fue futbolista de primer nivel, fueron mas de 45 años en el futbol organizado. No descarto que tambien esté decepcionado del futbol guatemalteco en general.
Ya lleva demasiado tiempo en el ámbito nacional. Que triste q él ha sido el último D.T. nacional en ganar un titulo de liga y ya hace casi 20 AÑOS.
Wikipedia article for Julio César Anderson, the third highest scorer ever in the Guatemalan league and who also played in México: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio César Anderson
Anderson was a GREAT player but not memorable with the NT. And he came back from Mexico because his team mates disliked for being Guatemalan (y negrito)?
Agreed. His club career vastly outshined his international one, to the point that he was almost a bust with the NT (although not too far from others players of his generation IMO). Diario de Centro America quotes 'racism', and the other source cited in the Wiki article is a transcript of an interview with him. I recommend reading both for more details.
Yeah, I assumed it was more because of his race and not his nationality or a combination of both. Well other Guatemalans never got any racism in Mexico, I'll read the source later.
I think it was more jealousy than racism. Because he was a successful Non-Mexican and obviously that jealousy would turned to racism/nationalism because he was foreigner of Indigenous/Black descent. Mexicans discriminate against their own people so him being a foreigner made big a bigger target. I would have never left. Just let the haters hate.
So let me ask you now (and everyone else on the Guate's forum!) what do you think of my initial ranking of him as the 10th best player ever? Too high? Too low? Who's better or worse?
Continuing with the work on Wiki articles, I am pleased to bring you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto López Oliva El "Cuqui" López Oliva, outstanding executor of the Folha Seca, was a key member of the great national side of the 1960s and start of the 1970s, and easily the best fullback the country has ever produced. He is also one of only three Guatemalan players to win the CONCACAF Championship at both club and NT level (the others being his long time defensive partner Lijón León, and Rolando Valdez). IMO Lopez Oliva is one of the most complete players Guatemala has ever had, and perhaps the most underrated. He did it all: was good in the air, owned the right wing, was an excellent crosser and set piece specialist, and scored more goals than any other Guatemalan defender (I believe he is also the highest scoring defender ever from Central America, but this needs confirmation). He has said that he had the opportunity to play outside of Guatemala, but back then it didn't make sense, since salaries were not better ($=Q), and the level of competition of the local league was superior than it is now -- which sounds about right, as evidenced by the international success of our clubs and national team in that era. --- Also just to give an update, I am currently at 45% logging historical lineups of the Guatemala NT matches. Looks like at best I'll get to 75% or 80% due to lack of access to information (for the time being) on many older and friendly matches.
45 years ago today, the Guatemala National Team played a high stakes match against Mexico during the III CONCACAF Championship (precursor of the Gold Cup) which was also called NORCECA Championship. The match was won by Guatemala with a late goal, 1-0, a result which was key for Guatemala to win the tournament, as they finished one point ahead of Mexico who where the defending champions and favorites to keep the title. The goal scored by the late Dr. Manuel Lisandro "Escopeta" Recinos gave Guatemalan football one of its most historic victories. Famously narrated by "Neto" Ponce Saravia on the radio, the win in Tegucigalpa was followed and celebrated by the entire nation, while some 5000 fans had traveled to Honduras to witness La Sele beat the best of the area. Here's the translation of an interview given by the national coach Rubén Amorín many years later: Innovative or unorthodox tactics? No. Luck? No. A team of well-prepared, highly disciplined individuals? Yes. ... MATCH REPORT Tournament: 1967 CONCACAF Championship (III NORCECA), Final Group Date: Friday, 10.3.1967 Time: Evening Venue: Tegucigalpa, Estadio Nacional de Tegucigalpa Att.: ~ 10000 Guatemala 1-0 (0-0) Mexico Goal: 85' Manuel "Escopeta" Recinos [Assist Rolando Valdez (other sources list Tin Tan Peña)] Referee: Walter Jose Maria Van Rosberg (AHO) Radio transmission: Radio Nuevo Mundo PBP: Prof. Ernesto "Neto" Ponce Saravia MEX: Javier Vargas (Atlas); Juan Manuel Alejandrez (Cruz Azul), Gustavo Peña (Oro), Jesús del Muro (Cruz Azul), Mario "Pichojos" Pérez (Necaxa); Héctor Pulido (Cruz Azul), Jesús Prado (Cruz Azul), Fernando Bustos (Cruz Azul); Raúl "Pecas" Arellano (Cruz Azul), Manuel Lapuente (Monterrey) Manuel Cerda Canela(Toluca). D.T.: Ignacio Trelles (MEX) GUA: "Nixon" García (Municipal); López Oliva (Municipal), David Molina (Comunicaciones?), Hasse Ovalle (Cobán?), Roberto Ochoa (Aurora?); "Grillo" Roldán (Aurora), "Mapache" Hurtarte (Aurora), Guayo de León (Universidad?) (Rolando Valdez (Municipal)); "Cochita' Godoy (Municipal), "Escopeta" Recinos (Universidad), "Tin Tan" Peña (Universidad). D.T.: Rubén Amorín (URU) --------------García-------------- López O.--Molina--Hasse O.--Ochoa Roldán-------Hurtarte------de León Godoy--------Recinos---------Peña Source: http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/mex-intres6069.html (other sources state Hugo Torres started)
Very interesting stuff. I don't really know too much about the history of Chapin futbol but reading all these stories is fascinating. Good stuff ChaCha. Does Fedefut have a hall of fame?
Thank you, I am too fascinated by the history of futbol in Guate and the world. The Fedefut doesn't even track statistics or other individual accomplishments. The closest thing to a hall of fame of guatemalan football would be the work of a few journalists in magazines or newspapers mentioning the great players of the past, or lists made online such as this one.
This is an interesting comment because they are the two most capped players ever for Guate, and like them, many players throughout the years who accomplished a lot have come to a point in the end of their careers where they lost the respect they once earned, and i think this is a reflection of both poor competitive level which has allowed them to continue playing at top flight way past their time, and lack of individual pride and work ethic. If they would just retire with dignity, the way a few have (Plata, Byron, Roldán).
I think you're right it has to do with poor competitive level that has limited options for replacements and lack of personal pride by the players. But I think what keeps them around is necessity, they need the money. They become staples of the national team and the organization feels bad taking away that supplemental income they get from the national team and think twice before replacing them with someone younger who may or may not perform at a higher level. This is the same thing that goes on with club teams and it's bullshit. It goes back to the fundamental problem in Guatemalan football: a mismanaged national league. With a well run league that pulls in diversified revenue sources and increases wages across the board we wouldn't have national team players worried about money. Not only that, players would be able to retire earlier and we wouldn't have 40 year old strikers taking up a starting spot on one of the two most important clubs in the country while letting the young players to rot on the bench.
Feliz 15 de Septiembre! Feliz cumpleaños Pescadito! - casi tan viejo como yo One year later, here is a revised list. El Pescado at the top. Marco Pappa climbing positions. New additions in bold, including El Loco Rodriguez at #73. Discuss. Rank [old rank] Player 1 . ↑ [ 4 ] Carlos "El Pescadito" Ruiz 2 . ↓ [ 1 ] Oscar Enrique "El Conejo" Sánchez 3 . ↓ [ 2 ] Juan Carlos Plata 4 . ↓ [ 3 ] Jorge "El Grillo" Roldán 5 . ↑ [ 6 ] Selvin Pennant 6 . ↑ [ 7 ] Byron Pérez 7 . ↑ [ 8 ] Juan Manuel "Memín" Funes 8 . ↓ [ 5 ] Martin Machón 9 . ↑ [ 15 ] Alberto López Oliva 10 . = [ 10 ] Julio César Anderson 11 . ↑ [ 14 ] Carlos "Pepino" Toledo 12 . ↓ [ 11 ] Allan Kenny Wellman 13 . = [ 13 ] Mincho Monterroso 14 ↓ [ 9 ] Guillermo "El Pando" Ramirez 15 . ↑ [ 19 ] Julio Gómez 16 . ↓ [ 12 ] Victor Hugo Monzón 17 . = [ 17 ] Freddy García 18 . = [ 18 ] Félix "La Polilla" McDonald 19 . ↑ [ 21 ] Julio Rodas 20 . ↓ [ 22 ] Hugo "Tin Tan" Peña 21 . ↑ [ 23 ] Dwight "El Tanque" Pezzarossi 22 . = [ 22 ] David Stokes 23 . ↑ [ 30 ] Joaquín "Tacuazín" Ortiz 24 . ↑ [ 25 ] Mario Camposeco 25 . ↑ [ 26 ] Julio Rodolfo "Nixon" García Guzmán 26 . ↑ [ 32 ] Francisco "Pinula" López Contreras 27 . ↑ [ 31 ] Ricardo "El Muñecón" Piccinini 28 . ↓ [ 20 ] Luis Villavicencio 29 . ↓ [ 24 ] Jorge Rodas 30 . ↓ [ 29 ] German "El Chino" Ruano 31 . ↑ [ 38 ] Marco Pappa 32 . ↓ [ 28 ] Carlos "El Chino" Castañeda 33 . ↑ [ 44 ] Raúl "El Flaco" Chacón 34 . ↓ [ 33 ] Gonzalo "Chalo" Romero 35 . = [ 35 ] Gustavo Cabrera 36 . ↑ [ 60 ] Marco Antonio "Maco" Fión Castellanos 37 . ↑ [ 53 ] Jose Emilio Mitrovich 38 . ↑ [ 85 ] Lijón León de León 39 . ↑ [ NR ] Gabriel Urriola 40 . ↓ [ 27 ] Guillermo Enrique "El Gigante" Rodríguez 41 . ↑ [ NR ] Eduardo "Guayo" de León 42 . ↓ [ 34 ] Edwin Westphal 43 . ↓ [ 37 ] Juan Francisco "El Gringo" Aguirre 44 . ↓ [ 40 ] René Arturo Morales 45 . ↑ [ NR ] Armando Mazariegos 46 . ↓ [ 41 ] Mario Acevedo 47 . ↓ [ 42 ] Hermenegildo Pep Castro 48 . ↓ [ 39 ] Ricardo Alexander Clark 49 . ↓ [ 36 ] Eduardo "Gasparín" Acevedo 50 . ↓ [ 45 ] Claudio Ariel Rojas 51 . ↓ [ 46 ] Julio Girón 52 . ↓ [ 42 ] Manuel Lisandro "Escopeta" Recinos 53 . ↑ [ NR ] Anthony Ewing 54 . ↓ [ 43 ] Edgar "El Camarón" Arriaza 55 . ↓ [ 48 ] Roderico "Lico" Mendez 56 . ↓ [ 50 ] Augusto "Culiche" Espinoza 57 . ↓ [ 52 ] Marlon "El Chino" Iván León y León 58 . ↓ [ 54 ] Freddy Thompson 59 . ↑ [ 63 ] José Manuel "El Moyo" Contreras 60 . ↑ [ 82 ] Adán Onelio Paniagua 61 . ↓ [ 49 ] Norman Delva 62 . ↑ [ 65 ] Edgar Everaldo Valencia 63 . ↑ [ 90 ] Sergio Rivera 64 . ↓ [ 62 ] Erick Miranda 65 . ↑ [ 70 ] Ricardo Jerez I 66 . ↓ [ 55 ] Efraín "Soldado" de León 67 . ↓ [ 57 ] Rafael "Cochita" Godoy 68 . ↑ [ 73 ] Guillermo "La Pantera" Enríquez Gamboa 69 . ↓ [ 59 ] Henry Stokes 70 . ↑ [ NR ] Horacio Hasse Ovalle 71 . ↑ [ 103 ] Nelson Armando Melgar Retolaza 72 . ↑ [ 76 ] Edgar "El Campeón" Bolaños 73 . ↑ [ NR ] Mario Rafael "El Loco" Rodríguez 74 . ↑ [ 80 ] Edgar "El Gato" Estrada 75 . ↓ [ 66 ] Rudy Rolando Ramírez 76 . ↑ [ NR ] Alfredo "Fero" Castellanos 77 . ↓ [ 64 ] Pedro "Tarzán" Segura 78 . ↓ [ 67 ] Marvin Ceballos I 79 . ↑ [ 81 ] Jorge Arturo "El Indio" Perez 80 . ↑ [ 95 ] Leonardo MacNish 81 . ↓ [ 68 ] Alejandro Ortiz Obregón 82 . ↓ [ 72 ] Jorge "La Chana" Fernandez 83 . ↓ [ 69 ] Nelson Cáceres 84 . ↓ [ 58 ] Pablo Melgar 85 . ↓ [ 61 ] Dionel Fulgencio Bordón 86 . ↓ [ 75 ] Jesus "Chus" de Leon 87 . ↓ [ 78 ] Kevin Sandoval 88 . ↑ [ NR ] Ignacio Gonzalez Lam 89 . ↑ [ NR ] Rolando Valdez 90 . ↓ [ 51 ] Juan Manuel "Magua" Dávila II 91 . ↑ [ 92 ] Marvin Ávila 92 . ↓ [ 79 ] Giovanni Hernández 93 . ↑ [ NR ] Tono García 94 . ↑ [ 96 ] Felipe Antonio Carías 95 . ↓ [ 84 ] Leonel "El Machete" Contreras 96 . ↓ [ 77 ] Victor Hugo "El Aguado" Méndez 97 . ↓ [ 71 ] Selvyn Ponciano 98 . ↑ [ NR ] Peter Sandoval 99 . ↑ [ NR ] Stanley Gardiner 100 . ↑ [ 101 ] Luis "El Canche" Rodriguez I
In 1996, I was his Grade six teacher at Colegio Interamericano in Guatemala City. Later on, I googled him and he played for Notre Dame. I don't know if he ever made the full national team, so obviously he was not one of the greatest ever, but to make a major US university, he had to be pretty good.
I don't believe he was ever part of the senior NT but I do seem to recall he was a U-17 or U-20 international.
Want to see some highlights of El Grillo Roldán, Mincho Monterroso, David Stokes and others in action? Here is footage of the WCQ Final round match of December 1973 in Port-au-Prince lost to the local team 1-2. This is likely the earliest Guatemala NT match of which there is video online. It was uploaded to Youtube just over a year ago. An gem for those of us who like football history. I found it by accident while looking up yesterday's U20 highlights. The style of play is not much different than that of today if you ask me. Not sure if that's a good thing though. Also, you can see Roldán was, even though at the end of his career, the go-to guy and main ball distributor. Actual match footage starts at 8:23. I hope you enjoy watching it as much as i have.