GOP unveils tax plan

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Here's some awesome deception from our friendly neighborhood Republicans -

    You know also who gets the lower tax rates besides Steve and his bike shop? Goldman Sachs partners. As well as hundreds of thousands of other very wealthy partners, such as at legal, medical, and investment firms.

    Oh yeah.

    Also, the GOP preserved carried interest, so that the hedge fund managers who make (quite literally) 10x or more of Steph Curry's salary, can pay a much lower tax than Steph.

    Oh yeah again.
     
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  2. cleansheetbsc

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    Mar 17, 2004
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    The pivot talking point on the Estate Tax is "saving family farms." Based on the most recent information is a total of 80 Estates filed with a family farm in a one year period. You need to have $11m in assets to have to file estate taxes.
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Hold your wallet when that bullshit starts.

    $11 million for a couple, $5.5 million for a single person as I recollect. Which now that I think of it, what does that mean? Unless the couple dies on the same day, the inheritance will always be left by a single person. I am confused. Thank goodness for CPAs.
     
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  4. xtomx

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  5. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    This is just total crap.

    Thank you.
     
  6. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    Also, they wrote so-called-personhood language into the tax bill so you can buy your zygote a 529 plan (currently, you can even buy the twinkle in your eye a 529 so this language is unnecessary for 529s it's in there to establish GOP forced-birth "personhood" bullshit language as a legal precedent)
     
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  7. cleansheetbsc

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    Has Cletus the Fetus been issued a SS #?
     
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  8. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
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    I'm sure that's next - every time you ejaculate you'll have to log onto SSA and fill out a form ... just in case. Who am I kidding, the man won't have to do anything, every time a woman does more than kiss a guy she'll have to log on.
     
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  9. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

    Dec 11, 2000
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    Can we claim them as a dependent?
     
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  10. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Stop making it more complicated than they want it to be.
     
  11. cleansheetbsc

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    The first estate passes to the spouse tax-free

    That said, every wealthy client that I ever had had engaged us or tax lawyers to work on gifts or setting up trusts that shelter large swatches of the 'estate' from taxation upon death. None of those loopholes (legal tax diversion methods) have been eliminated.
     
  12. flowergirl

    flowergirl Member+

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    Any chance that this pile of crap won't pass?
     
  13. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

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    #38 raza_rebel, Nov 3, 2017
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    Alright. I read the first 10 pages or so of the proposed tax plan. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the tax brackets, as set up, will actually have the poor & middle class paying MORE in taxes??? If I'm reading it wrong, then please tell me how I'm misinterpreting the Act as written.

    Sorry reading this tax stuff is not my forte
     
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  14. cleansheetbsc

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    Yes. Saw something already that as it currently stands, 20 GOP reps are against it. There are quite a few from Cali and Penn among others that have not committed yet.
     
  15. Boloni86

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  16. cleansheetbsc

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    "it depends" is what it really is.

    Tax cuts are easy to make, you cut rates. Easy.

    This is wealth redistribution.
     
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  17. M

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    Feb 18, 2000
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    The alimony change is huge and pernicious. Currently, alimony is an "off the top" deduction to the payer and is treated as income by the recipient. This is proposing to do the reverse, namely not a deduction to the payer and deductible to the receiver. The reason it is pernicious is that it's a sneaky way to raise revenue. The payer is often in a higher tax bracket than the recipient, so doing this increases tax revenues. So if you want to get divorced and will have to pay support, make sure you're divorced by December 31st as this seems to apply only to marriages that end after that date.
     
  18. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
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    Forgive if I am wrong, but aren't you the guy that is proud he does not pay income taxes?
     
  19. ElJefe

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    I just looked at my 2016 tax return, did some rough math, based on the loss of the personal exemptions, the loss of the student loan interest deduction, and the loss of the state income tax deduction, and I figure that my wife and I are going to have increase of several thousand dollars in taxable income under the GOP plan, even with the much larger standard deduction, which we could now take instead of itemizing.

    So, uh, where's my tax cut?
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Cascarino's Pizzeria BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Where you livin at? That determines your tax cut...or lack therof.
     
  21. ElJefe

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    Feb 16, 1999
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    I live in Colorado, one of the 41 states that do have a state income tax, which kind of makes wonder why people only thought that this was going to hit certain states and not others. Sure, if you live in a state where the state income tax rate is high (like California or New York), you're gonna be hitting more people with this than you will in states with lower income tax rates, but even in those low tax state, you're still gonna be hitting some people, and those people tend to be on the upper end of the economic ladder.
     
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  22. cleansheetbsc

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    You'll do your taxes on a postcard. Your savings come from postage and paper not used.
     
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  23. usscouse

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  24. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    You should have had that sweet carried interest income.
     
  25. ElJefe

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    My main fault is that I earn my living through work, not wealth.
     

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