'Gooner' trademark ?!

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by RealMadGunner, Aug 29, 2007.

  1. RealMadGunner

    RealMadGunner Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  2. Skizz

    Skizz Guest

    LOL how did you hunt this down?!
     
  3. RealMadGunner

    RealMadGunner Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Found this thing mentioned on some blog ..

    EDIT: On Arseblog
     
  4. DougG_ATL

    DougG_ATL Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    metro Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ugh. I think fans should write in opposition to this move. It's always been an unofficial term created by the fans and now the business side of the club is trying to absorb one of the few non-commercial aspects of Arsenal fandom left.
     
  5. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    my sentiments are the following, which was posted in the link to Arseblog above...

     
  6. DougG_ATL

    DougG_ATL Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    metro Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dan,
    I highly doubt the club is applying for rights to the term 'Gooner' for anything other than having complete control over its use and the leverage to take legal action on any use they don't approve of (which would probably be every instance of it). The key point is that the club didn't create the term; the supporters did. We can call each other Gooners, but if a Spudz fans calls one of us that, it's fighting words.

    It's nothing but a grab at one of the last remaining elements of ownership by supporters. They probably won't produce a stitch of clothing or souvenirs with the term, but they can now theoretically have anyone who does shut down or possibly even have quality fan publications like The Gooner stifled.
     
  7. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    i don't think the club having a copyright or trademark on the term "Gooner" is going to stop people from printing the term on t-shirts/other memorabilia and selling it.

    edit: i read on Arseblog that they can't shut down The Gooners, since the trademark doesn't apply to magazines or something (can someone familiar with UK copyright/trademark law confirm this?)
     
  8. Skizz

    Skizz Guest

    I think its more a case of, they didn't apply to use it in a magazine format, only in the cases they specified on their application.
     
  9. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    gotcha, that makes more sense
     
  10. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
    THOF
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Andorra
    I don't have time to read the application, but does this mean that the t-shirt vendors and all that outside the grounds won't be able to print stuff with "gooner" on it? If so, then this is an unfortunate move by the club and will indeed "corporatize" the support of the club.
     
  11. DougG_ATL

    DougG_ATL Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    metro Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Precisely my point. Acquiring the trademark will allow them to police a term that they didn't create. You don't build a brand in spite of the people who give it value.
     
  12. Bluto11

    Bluto11 The sky is falling!

    May 16, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    there was a court case a few years back between Arsenal and a tshrit vendor who was selling shirts that had Arsenal on them. the European Court of Justice ruled in the tshirt vendors favor.
     
  13. Paul.eta

    Paul.eta Member

    Jan 21, 2003
    I don't think it'll get approved, but what a shiasty move by the club.
     
  14. FabregasTED

    FabregasTED Member

    Jan 2, 2007
    New Haven, CT
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I can see a "Red Sox Nation"esque "Gooner World" or something. Kinda a way to cash in on the fandom with an official card or something. Personally I dont have a problem with it.
     
  15. surfcam

    surfcam Member

    Sep 8, 2004
    Corpus Christi, TX
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm with you guys on this. It seems a bit of a power grab and isn't necessary. The club should concentrate on better fan relations rather than trying to take their identity.
     
  16. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I personally doubt this will have any real impact on anything for the club or fans, if the TM is even granted. My opinion is that the club doesn't want to find themselves with a similar TM issue as we had with the old club crest not being trademarked (a crest I still prefer to the newer, trademarked one used today). So why not go ahead an try to protect something closely tied to the club? The board has the fan's interest in mind on most/all major decisions, so I don't see any reason for that to change.
     
  17. DougG_ATL

    DougG_ATL Member

    Jul 5, 2005
    metro Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are you smoking and where can i get some? :D

    The Board has the interests of Arsenal, PLC in mind. Don't confuse heart-based loyalty with wallet-based loyalty. The latter is malleable.
     
  18. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
    THOF
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Andorra
    You're havin' a laff, right?
     
  19. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, I'm traveling for work this week and didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night - maybe that has something to do with it. :p

    I understand the way my point went across, and to a degree I think it's valid. At the core, really ALL sports teams have the owner's intersest at heart - they want to make money (unless you're RA, but he says he wants to turn a profit at some point - we'll see about that...:rolleyes:). But in comparison to the vast majority of other clubs around the world, my view of things show we really have it pretty good from the current ownership - despite the acknowledged warts.

    Does that distinction make sense?
     
  20. Lanesra

    Lanesra BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 13, 2003
    LONDON
    The term 'Gooner' was first used by Arsenal hooligans in the early 80's,and I remember the club condemning the name and the people who used it on Thames news or something like that.Do they want to associate themselves with it now there's a few quid involved in it..Wankers
     
  21. KevTheGooner

    KevTheGooner Help that poor man!

    Dec 10, 1999
    THOF
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Andorra

    The distinction would make sense if it were true. I think a lot of fans feel the club has taken them for granted over the years.
     
  22. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Jan 14, 2006
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that's the case, then I plead ignorance. I've been a supporter of Arsenal since '89 when I was in high school (loved Rocastle, Merson, Winterburn, Adams, Keown, et. al), but was unable to follow the club closely/intimately here in the US until I found the BS boards. By then, I guess the club was treating supporters relatively "well."

    Hopefully this explains where I'm coming from - and I don't mind being called out if I'm dead wrong.
     
  23. CaptVimes

    CaptVimes New Member

    Jun 12, 2006
    I am in two minds over this, merchandise sold by the stall traders outside of the ground do not go back into the club at all though i dont want to include fanzines in that.

    But I also feel that Gooner cant really be claimed by the club, it is something that has come about because of banter between the spuds fans and ours.
     
  24. Ronaldinho

    Ronaldinho New Member

    Feb 22, 2000
    Guildford UK
    People say why? I say why not?

    Chelsea has registered Chelski, Man Utd Red Devils and Red Army and I think Liverpool has the kop, Celtic the Bhoys and RM the Glacticos. It makes sense to You guys forget that the Club is also a business. I don't think they are bothered about the magazine..
     
  25. Skizz

    Skizz Guest

    Yes but the term Gooner was something made by the fans. Chelski was made by a newspaper, Red Devils was the nickname of Man U anyway given by the club, The Kop is something that has resonated around liverpool for years...you get the point. None of the above you mentioned were made by the fans.

    Besides, if its a "business" and it should be expected, why now? Why not when the term first became popular? There's plenty of stuff in the club shop with Gooner on at this exact moment.
     

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