Gold Cup TV - US fans screwed

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by FirstStar, Jun 23, 2005.

  1. geohiller

    geohiller Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Rangers00,

    Euro 84 was before my time (the first tournament after my kids started playing was Mexico 86, and no, I didn't watch the NASL), so I don't remember Jorge Berry. However, I certainly remember Tony Tirado.

    Your point about English viewers being "piggy backers" and therefore not in the target for the Spanish commercials is certainly true. However, the brand name is usually prominent in the commercials (especially visually), so even non-Spanish speakers will recognize who the commercial is for.

    The issue that these points were in response to, however, was the question about SAP - i.e. why can't Univision at least put an English commentary on SAP as an option for viewers. The "historical review" was to show why Univision's policy changed, and therefore, why they wouldn't be interested in adding an SAP option, even though it could conceivably increase their viewership.

    George
     
  2. ACGreen

    ACGreen Member

    May 12, 2004
    São Paulo, Brasil
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Telefutura is definately broadcast in DC. I watched all WC games on it while a frijole-eatin' grad student with no cable.
     
  3. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    okay, I've read through this whole thing and even clicked on all the hyperlinks and I'm still wondering....if you get Univision does that mean you get Telefutura? Are they the same thing/channel? Cuz I get Univision, plus some other Spanish channel right next to it, plus Galavision and Telemundo.

    Can anyone help?
     
  4. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    Just because you get Univision does not mean you'll get Telefutra (IMHO). It all depends on your cable/satelite providers.

    Best thing to do is get online and check out your channel line-up to know for sure.
     
  5. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. Will do.
     
  6. regulator

    regulator Member

    Apr 25, 2004
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i dont think univision and telefutura are the same thing. however, up here in the northeastern NJ area, we get both on cable, as well as galavision and telemundo.

    galavision is a cable channel. apparently telefutura is a broadcast channel (i was wondering why i got that channel in my room with no cable....). univision and telemundo are also broadcast channels.

    just use a tv with no cable and flip thru the channels (use a big ole' antenna if u have to)...you will probably find telefutura there... it'll be the spanish channel that's NOT univision or telemundo. maybe it's the one you say you found. i guess the only way to find out will be to tune in during game time :cool:
     
  7. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Univision owns both Galavision and TeleFutura.
     
  8. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Austin FC
    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Double thanks. I'll give that a go as well. :)
     
  9. FireFanInPackerLand

    Dec 8, 2004
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, due to the giant interest in soccer in English-speaking countries (US and Canada).
     
  10. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA

    Good comments on SAP/SIN.

    I just wonder if Univision knows how many English pseakers will tune into the game? Maybe we should let them know.

    Also, from thier point of view, it may not matter since most english speakers will only tune in for soccer and will watch it either way.

    As a soccer fan, I'm watching the gold cup despite the language barrier, so they have me with out SAP english broadcast and they probably know it. Odds are I'm not tuning in any other time to watch news or telenovelas (for more than 30 seconds while hot chick is on-screen :) ).

    However, if they were really smart, they would offer an SAP option for the Mexican soccer league games. I'd be much more likely to tune in then, it would help keep my interest and could help popularize the league in the US.

    Think about it, on FSC I'll watch French, Dutch (in the past) or sometime the Argentine league. I'd be alot more intersted with an english broadcast then.
     
  11. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    I can recall during one of the older world cups, when cantor was at univision, he'd occasionally throw a few sentences per half in english to satisfy the anglo only speaking audience....

    still I can enjoy a match with the MUTE button on...

    why do you really need commentary??
     
  12. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Mexican league, unlike the EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga, French league, etc., is a regional league that doesn't have any appeal outside of North/Central America. Soccer mad Asia doesn't carry a sniff of Mexican league. Even ESPN Latin America don't care about it...

    The odds of a non-Espanol speaker would be interested in the Mexican league is low. The odds of such a non-Espanol speaker would watch the MFL only in English but definitely not in Spanish is even lower. So why waste the resources to produce the English commentary especially when their ads do not target non-Spanish speakers?
     
  13. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    Good commentary can add to the game. Also, when you are watching a team/league you don't know about, the announcer can provide a little education about the teams and who are on the field.

    For example, when I fist stumbled upon the Dutch league when they used to have it on ESPN2 (circa mid -1990's), watrching ti with the sound on was alot better than with the sound off. I got to know the players' names, where they came from, how thier team was doing, who is scoring goals,etc...

    True you can enjor a game with the sound off, but a good announcer can add interest.
     
  14. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    Maybe I'm in the minorty, but I'd watch more Mexican games if they were in English, just like I'd be a lot less likely to watch the French league in French.

    Maybe it's not worth the time and expense, but with recent games between the MFL and MLS, I've gotten much more interested in the Mex league. IF they were smart, they'd start thinking about trying to drum up interest outside of Spanish speakers.

    -Maybe this subject deserves it's own thread since it's a bit off-topic.
     
  15. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    a good announcer on espn or espn2 or abc is still waiting to happen...

    I'd agree the spanish guys on telemundo and univision do provide a generally good running commentary....

    if you don't comprehend spanish, watching a match still can be enjoyable....

    i've seen some matches in russian, and I couldn't begin to know the first word they were saying...
     
  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Agreed - This is an interesting topic. Worthy of a serious discussion. At some point, I would think that Telemundo or Univision would want to experiment with SAP/English on their MFL broadcasts.
     
  17. depor15

    depor15 Member

    Jun 28, 1999
    I am not to familar with how SAP works, I know what it is but how much would it cost them to do this?

    I speak Spanish and still do not have much interest in MFL. I watch a game here and there but that is it.
    These channels try to target the Mexican audience first. I don't blame them as this is their big sports market.
     
  18. kurgen99

    kurgen99 New Member

    Jun 30, 2004
    Los Angeles
    I totally don't care what language the game is broadcast in. I just want to see the game.
     
  19. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    a true fan! fucq!
    i'll watch futbol in chinese or "gods must be crazy" language...
     
  20. kurgen99

    kurgen99 New Member

    Jun 30, 2004
    Los Angeles
    Hey, the movie "Shaolin Soccer" is English dubbed Chinese!

    Being in Los Angeles, it seems like I watch soccer in Spanish often.
     
  21. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be nice if FSC aired some of the MFL games that FSE shows as well.

    Funny, we can watch Brazil v Argentina in Germany in English but not say U.S. v South Africa in the U.S.
     
  22. bilmalk7

    bilmalk7 New Member

    Nov 29, 2001
    Eastern Pennsylvania
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good News for US Soccer Fans in Philadelphia Area; WFPA Channel 28 a Telefutura affiliate is part of DirecTV's local package....i never knew i had it either.... :)
     
  23. avenger

    avenger Member

    Aug 15, 1999
    Cary, NC, USA
    Andy, you may or may not be aware of this, but we do get Telefutura in the Raleigh-Durham area... at least on the digital spectrum...

    If you have a digital (ATSC) tuner, and you get WKFT-DT, then you will find Telefutura in the second subchannel (40.2).
     
  24. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    to all those w/ cable, time warner in particular, i would really check your channel lineups and your packaging options. for example i have a tw cable package that includes digital cable. they call them digipic packages. i can chose one of three options for my digital channels, the regular digital channels, the encore movie digital channels, and the spanish language digital channels. since the spanish language channels are one of my choices, all i would have to do to get telefutura, a digital channel around most of nc, except for raleigh, is to switch my digital channel options to the spanish language on gameday and switch it back after the game is over. this should work for all nc systems with twc and you should not endure any extra charges because you have the option to chose which selection of digital channels you want to subscribe to.
     
  25. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Telefutura stations consist of string and cups.

    I went out today and bought an antenna just to try to get the Telefutura station two counties away, I don't even get a lousy signal, just snow. :(
     

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