Giovanny "La Sombra" Espinoza

Discussion in 'Ecuador' started by mike hunt64, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. mike hunt64

    mike hunt64 New Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Chelmsley Wood, Birm
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  2. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    there were a lot of skeptics when he went to Brazil with Cruzeiro, and I think while there he got the captain's arm band or something like that....he can def start if he shows a lot of tenacity and good awareness.
     
  3. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think his age is still going to be his biggest challenge. He won't be getting any faster.
     
  4. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Yup...he's not as capable of stoping quick players as he was a couple years back. He's gotten slower, especially after he left Cruziero. He did do well there but towards the end of the season I remember he lost his starting position.

    I'd seriously be amazed if La Sombra starts in Birmingham. He's also had trouble defending in our NT and even though Hurtado is older, he is more secure than Espinoza. Good luck to him, but to be realistic...he's most likely not gonna be getting playing time.
     
  5. \^the king^/

    \^the king^/ Member

    Jul 4, 2007
    wherevr da action @
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Damn I always liked when espinoza has the ball better than hurtado he always felt more secure mostly becuase he'll kick that shit anywhere to get it out of danger while hurtado loves to come, chest out head up short passes even under pressure and he's f'd up quite a lot... But anyway I see espinoza doing alright, he probably won't see out his two year contract though.
     
  6. pepe pancho

    pepe pancho Member

    May 30, 2009
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    well i would say that was in the luis suarez era around copa america because ivan hurtado plays more secure than espinoza nowadays...if you can recalll many of the goals that were let in in these qualifiers were espinozas fault because he did a stupid blunder.....examples, agaisnt bolivia espinoza leaves space for botero goal!!!, agaisnt paraguay in quito he jumped for an invisible ball left two paraguayan forwards wide open goal!!! he cost us three points that we needed..and agsint brazil he did the same thing but he try slide tackling baptista and left a huge gap and he took the shot and scored a goal...i say with this in mind hurtado is way more secure than espinoza any day
     
  7. mike hunt64

    mike hunt64 New Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Chelmsley Wood, Birm
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
  8. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He is sueing a player from Nublense in Chile because of racist comments. "Negro Mono come banana"..
     
  9. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Racism should not be tolerated at any level...hopefully the other guy loses the lawsuit. Pretty egregious behavior nowadays.
     
  10. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I completely agree. The FEF is trying to stamp out racism in Ecuador's serie A. As of today, Ecuador is the most racist country that I have ever visited.
     
  11. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I don't know if I agree with your last point...manifestations of racism come out in a variety of ways, so in my opinion, it's a sliding scale regarding countries. I'd consider Brazil and Ecuador, for example, to have totally different racist perspectives, and it can't be compared.
     
  12. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, maybe Ecuador has changed since the last time I visited. Maybe not..As of today.. Segundo matamba's Aunt Teresa used to be a maid at my dad best friends house and she used to make me Arroz con leche every summer i was in Guayaquil. Her daughter Marixa is incredibly Intelligent and educated according to my dad but Black and not that attractive and can't get a job at a Bank in Guayaquil yet the stupid and attractive blonde got the job. This is racist no matter what country you are in. next time barcelona play LDU Quito. I'll gladly invite you to a justin tv showing to get first hand experience on that side chat line..
     
  13. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    LMAO hahaha

    that's this coming sunday by the way
     
  14. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    The player who said that must have some balls saying that to a big 6'3 black guy.

    say that around here, and you'll wake up in the hospital. I know it's wrong to say this, but sometimes I think violence should take place (as in beating someone down, not killing) in those situations so people will think twice before opening their mouths. I feel like people here in the US would be intimidated to say that to a black guy. I'm not so sure if it's the same down there in Ecuador?? I've visited plenty times and call tell it's a racist country. didn't grow up there, never lived there so I wouldn't know if the majority of the people are intimidated by blacks or just think they can mistreat them and get away with it.
     
  15. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    well we just had ligay play some hitler videos in their stadium (with full consent of la directiva) agains deportivo quito, who coincidentally have a large jewish fanbase in quito.

    one thing are fans on the internet, another thing are videos sponsored by la directiva.
     
  16. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    that hitler video wasn't made to discriminate against jews. that video was used repeatedly in many parodies. even the one against your barcelona. but when it was used against barcelona it wasn't racist right?? but now that we do it to deportivo quito it is?

    It shouldn't matter whether we played that video in our stadium or not b/c discriminating against jews wasn't our intention. It was clean humor b/t two rival teams. If Barcelona used the Hitler video against Emelec it wouldn't be racist, but somehow it is when Liga uses it against D.Quito? That parody has been used WAY too many times for it to even be qualified as racism or discrimination towards the jewish community. It's used for other purposes.
     
  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Guys, that Hitler video is not an original thought. You'll see it on every single topic football related and not.

    And I agree, it is a parody, and not really of Hitler, but of the original movie. Due to Germany's dark history under that Austrian midget, I am pretty careful as to what may be considered funny or not regarding Germany 1933-1945 - and that shit was funny. There is also a great one when Chelsea lost to Burnley.
     
  18. Ladic

    Ladic Member

    Jul 19, 2005
    Guayaquil
    I agree that original video in itself is not racist, what IS racist is playing said video (sponsored by la directiva) against a team who has a large jewish fanbase.
     
  19. LDU4ever

    LDU4ever Moderator
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    Liga de Quito
    Ecuador
    Nov 21, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Of course, it's true that the form of racism is disgusting, but saying Ecuador is the most racist country is my problem, because it all depends on how you're judging. I'll say that the US has problems with racism, the only issue here is that the manifestations are not as overt as segregation and right denials like they used to be. Stereotypes, cultural appropriation, and media can show some pretty amazing stuff here. Or in Brazil...the "racial democracy". What a farce! Racism is just as rampant there as it is in Ecuador, but it manifests itself differently.


    Well, violence is not the answer..then again I'm ideologically more of a conscientious objector/pacifist, BUT it all comes down to education and being able to embrace anybody and celebrating their culture and contributions to society.

    The same video has been disseminated for hundreds of parodies. Interestingly enough, not one swastika is seen throughout the video, nor is there any sign of national socialism or Nazi sympathies. Although the video is in poor taste, the case holds no water because the dialogue didn't put down Jews, advocate racial superiority, or promote anything remotely racist. Legally, it's dead in the water. At most Liga will be fined a sum of money and maybe get suspended from using the Casa Blanca for one game, but it'll be a warning and a slap on the wrist because there was no racism, etc. This isn't like seeing a fan hold a Nazi flag in a stadium or have a team's footballer score a goal and make salute into the fans or have the fans of one team start making racial slurs against players or other fans.
     
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  20. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I've played futbol everywhere, USA, Germany, Ecuador, belgium etc.. and it never ocurred to me to say something racist even at the most ********ed up foul. The usual "Just wait until you get the ********ing ball, Asshole, dickhead, go ******** yourself or "where the ******** did you learn how to play" or Say hi to your sister for me... came out of my mouth. You must really be a racist if the first thing to come out your mouth is something derogatory..i would have to sit back a moment and think of something to say.
     
  21. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    D quito has a large jewish fanbase? I never heard that one. I thought they were all taxi drivers..
     
  22. Argentine Futbol

    Argentine Futbol Red Card

    Feb 21, 2003
    Old Greenwich, CT
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Its bad taste but not a big deal. the FEF should handle it internally. Apparently Dep Quito is taken it to FIFA where FIFA could punish the FEF and even ban Ecuador from future tournaments. I wouldn't play with that fire nowadays with FIFA trying to eliminate racism in world futbol.
     
  23. Quilotoa

    Quilotoa Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Brasilia, Brazil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Nailed it!
     
  24. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agreed...and repped him for it too. ;)
     
  25. siempreazul

    siempreazul Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Queens, New York
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    What was the name that insulted G. Espinoza in Chile? I believe that he is Argentinian.
     

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