Germany-Holland

The rivalry with Holland started with wwII.

We don't like them and they hate us, it's the same story with the tommies.

 

With Holland start after the 30th year of war, not direct but hundred years later.
At this time they believe they have an own country, Spanish netherlands.
But more Spanish.
Some intelligence hold the hynm, Kings from German blood.
Or were Nassau ever Spanish Netherlands?

 

The Dutch hate the Germans because of World War II, if you're German you better not travel to an away game in Holland because you might get killed. Fortunately most Germans are civilised beings and the reaction a German will get in Holland is not the same as a Dutch in Germany. I believe this all boils down to an inferiority complex; it is the only logical reason.

 

You should take into account that 'logical reasons' don't always comply with emotions. If anything, I believe that the Dutch feel (morally) superior to the Germans, something they are generally good at.

I think the origin of the 'hate' coming from the Dutch is a complex one. It undoubtably has its roots in WWII, but it is also increased by the hords of German tourists invading Dutch beaches each summer. But it has been fuelled in the football stadiums by a sense of frustration: how come the Germans get to carry away the trophies? This frustration was building up for 14 years, until it finally deflated in 1988. I think that after 1988, the 'hate' of the Dutch changed its character, and having lost its relation with frustration, changed more into a game (pissing off Germans). Nowadays, what is left is just the game of having a favourite enemy.
It is interesting that once the Dutch started dominating Dutch-German football clashes, the German supporters have become more aggressive: I reckon the ball of frustration lies on the German side, making a lot of the German fans less tolerant of the continous Dutch taunting and provocations.

Just my two cents

 

Not only because of the WWII, also because of the WWI. In all two wars germany fighted against France and decided to go through the neutral Holland to attack the french people.

 

I am pretty sure the Germans didn't enter Holland in WWI

 

Correct, they went through Belgium in WWI IIRC

 

Don't be absurd, no-one ever got even slightly hurt in a Holland-Germany match.

It is partly because of an inferiority complex, you're right. It's the traditional David v Goliath thing. But that inferiority complex does not extend to football. The Dutch in fact think their football is far more attractive than that of the Germans, and that they deserve to beat the Germans for that reason alone.

Anyway anyone who's interested in the rivalry should read Football against the Enemy by Simon Kuper.

 

You've got the rivalry down pretty accurately. And yes, I've noticed that the Germans in recent years have started to hate us more and more. For the Dutch it's the other way round: we've started to hate them less and less. Probably because we think they're pretty uninteresting as a football nation (yes there's that moral superiority again!)

 

Strange, what was I thinking, where on earth would I get this type of information. Oh yes must have been the combination of German supporters telling me how pyschotic your fans are and a few years ago, the Dortmund management telling their fans not to travel to Holland for the Feynoord-Dortmund game because it is dangerous.

 

Oh on the club level it's a different story, I'll gladly admit to that. But Holland fans are the friendliest bunch you'll ever meet, they're not the typical club supporters. If you've ever been to an international tournament you should know. There's never been an incident involving Holland fans at any international tournament. While there's been a couple with the Germans as we all know.

 

International matches are usually more friendly because it is more family orientated. I meant club level, the general feeling I get here is don't go to Holland unless you got the cojones... I might add that I do have mighty cojones because I bench press 10 tons each arm. There Dead Fingers, the thread is back to a civil dialogue.

 

Indeed! You taunt them, I'll watch your back in case they come from behind!! If you don't see me, it's probably because I ran away.

 

Well it's mostly Feyenoord who really really hate the Germans. The city was bombed to bits at the start of WWII killing many, and 50,000 Rotterdam men were rounded up and sent to German labour camps in 1944 in the biggest European razzia ever - not that that's an excuse, I'm just trying to explain where the hatred's coming from.

As for my club (Twente), we're currently expanding our stadium capacity and a special section for our fans from Germany will also be included. Twente also have a fairly special relationship with Schalke as you may know.

 

You actually build "a special section for fans from Germany"?

 

Apparently! There'll probably be a Bratwurst stand and the walls will be covered with pics of Beckenbauer to make them feel at home.

 

@ johan

you´re joking

 

Ha! I am about the bratwurst and the beckenbauer. I wasn't joking about the special German section in the expanded stadium though.

 

But this is too strange. I mean to build a seperate section for club fans form another country doesn´t really support the european idea, does it?