German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    You were literally calling Danish forwards superstars a few weeks ago, and now their a team bums, within a easy group made to help Germany to win lol...:rolleyes:

    Spain destroy Switzerland twice, and yet we've just seen Switzerland beat Sweden to end Sweden's hope of Olympic qualification...:coffee: Plus didn't Italy just deservedly beat Spain lol.

    You really need to stop making everything so damn sensational lol. When the groups were created, nothing about them would have been different based on FIFA rank.

    It was the exact same as the first match, but now without Germany playing with post WC MVT aided self loathing... meaning there was really nothing for Denmark to scout...;)

    QUOTE="hotjam2, post: 41872211, member: 217309"]They gambled early on with an high press, but unlike MVT, Horst wouldn’t have none of it & got the ball quickly up field— nice, long run by Lohmann in the first half, showed how easy it can be to break the high press.[/QUOTE]
    Germany didn't actually do a very good job evading the Danish press during the first half. On multiple occasions German players losing the ball, due to a poor team shape whenever trying to build attacks from the back through measured passing.

    But again, the difference this game, being Germany's more confident approach to take risks. We'd see on more than one occasion a defender carrying the ball into mid-field by themselves, rather than hit aimless long balls to forwards (like the first match Vs Denmark).

    It's only once Senß joined the game for the 2nd half, we'd see Germany take complete control of the match, with a tactical adjustment Denmark really had no answer to counteract.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL, this because Straus-ball STINKS! And I've been saying the same negative observations about the way Bayern attack since his arrival..

    Trying to replace Gwinn, killing Magull, while constantly removing the effectiveness of Lohmann, Bühl, and now Schüller, I don't know why everyone pretends this isn't happening at Bayern, or see these same players improved wnt performances as anomalies..:confused:

    LOL... someone clearly doesn't understand why Gwinn so effective...:rolleyes: But Endemann should have already been in the wnt last year, and knowing how she effectively attacks space, Endemann would have been a genuine nightmare for a team like Denmark to try and contain.

    Hegering is just an easy target for disgruntled fans who don't understand the tactical flaws within the wnt...:coffee:

    If you U-Turn any harder, your neck will break lol...:giggle:

    We'll see about that...:whistling: The footage saw Sweden do everything but score lol (blatant PK call not given too).
     
  3. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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  4. hotjam2

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    this where you like to twist my words since I’m pretty sure I wrote instead;

    (1st game)German defense somehow made a superstar of Vansgaard—-when in reality she’s just an PSG bench player
     
  5. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    I see what you mean—Germany back then was the #1 ranked Euro team so deservedly gets lighter opponents in the pecking order, just over we usually use weekly updated rankings for playoffs type brackets—-especially woso could use that since it can see dramatic shift due to the high injury rate & pregnancies.
    Went back all the way to last December for FIFA rankings—still not getting why Wales got into A group, whereas the way higher ranked Ireland is in an B group?
     
  6. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The UEFA ranking is
    20% 2019 World Cup and qualifying
    40% 2022 Euro and qualifying
    40% 2023 World Cup qualifying

    2019 World Cup Qualifiers: Wales finished second with 17 points, Ireland only third with 13 points
    2022 Euro Qualifiers: Wales finished third with 14 points, Ireland finished third with 13 points
    2023 World Cup Qualifiers: Wales finished second with 20 points(10 games), Ireland finished second with 17 points(8 games)
     
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  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Really... we're going to ignore the foul on Gwinn, and the fact we'd see TWO more German defenders need to make errors before the Danish forward would eventually place the ball into an open net...:rolleyes:

    Oh, and to make this point even more fraudulent, you'd even claim the USWNT would have removed a RB of Gwinn's ability from their team, when the USwnt don't even have a FB within their player pool on the level of of someone like Gwinn right now lol...:coffee:

    The whole team looked bad during the first game... so your still not making any relevant points on the main pro's and cons of Hergering as a CB...:unsure:

    Fresh from the depressing post Euro's year of still having MVT as head coach, and a truly underwhelming WC group stage exit, not a single player on Germany's side during the opening Nations League match, could honestly say they played well Vs Denmark.
     
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    #4283 Batfink, Dec 4, 2023
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    OK... ignoring the blatant PK not awarded to Sweden lol, or the numerous close calls where Sweden should have scored, maybe... just maybe, the FIFA rankings aren't as relevant as you seem to believe...:cautious:

    Italy looked to be tactically very well prepared for this game, not allowing Spain to dominate the game centrally (their strength)

    Crosses from Italy creating major panic to the Spanish defence too, it would take some good fortune (no VAR in use lol), but Italy gave Spain a legitimate contest, and found themselves produce a hugely positive result for their program.

    LOL, Iceland Vs Italy at the Euro's finished 1-1...:cautious: Again... these Nation League groups all created using perfectly reasonable assessment for determining team seedings.
     
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  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    This is what I saw you post..."Denmark’s Vangsgaard looked like a superstar vs Germany(scoring both goals) but sits on the bench for PSG as an 3rd string striker—-didn’t even get playing time in yesterday’s CL match"

    The last part of your point here 100% correct, as you mention she's a bench player for PSG. But like I thought, there was also no context of German defenders supposedly being the key factors behind Vangsgaard supposedly appearing to be (in your words) a superstar...:whistling:

    Weeks ago you lording the fact Denmark have one of the Nations League's top scorers, who also appeared to be a superstar in her teams defeat of Germany on match day one. And now your saying Denmark's attack filled with bums lol, within a weak group of teams, rival wnt's would have loved to have been part of..:rolleyes:
     
  10. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #4285 Batfink, Dec 4, 2023
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    4.3 Million watched Germany Vs Denmark on ZDF, setting a new record for a DFB women's game outside of a World Cup or European Championship...:thumbsup:

    But Freigang has left the squad for the final group match Vs Wales, with nobody being called in to replace her. Making me wonder who plays as the #9 if Popp doesn't stay in the game for the full 90 mins...:unsure: Petermann...?
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    The way Senß would impress everyone with her 2nd half introduction Vs Denmark, I think she could be all set to start her first ever wnt match Vs Wales...:coffee:
    Bühl ----------------------- Popp -------------------- Huth
    --------------------------- Lohmann -------------------------
    ------------------ Senß ------------- Nüsken ---------------
    Linder ----- Hegering ---------- Hendrich ------ Gwinn
    ----------------------------- Frohms --------------------------

    Maybe we could potentially see Krumbiegel starting ahead of Gwinn, or maybe even have Brand starting ahead of Bühl. But overall I think Hrubesch will try to take the momentum of the last games 2nd half, into the starting 45 mins Vs Wales.
     
  12. hotjam2

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    The US has only allowed 2 goal in 17 games so far in 2023

    Germany so far 14 goal allowed in just 13 matches—-though to be fair to Gwinn(when she played) only 3 goals allowed in 5 games
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    This doesn't change the fact your current USwnt doesn't have a single FB within it's entire player pool, on the same level of quality as Gwinn...:coffee:

    "it would mean banned for an couple of years if she made that error on the USWNT lol"...:rolleyes:
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  14. hotjam2

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    You’ve shown no proof. Right now Linder proving to be the better FB on the NT

    Naschewing the better one at Bayern

    if there’s one thing US believes in is strong defenders—-that’s why they only gave up two goals or year long
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hmmmm Hrubesch is hinting there will no longer be anymore MVT era hierarchy within his mid-field selection. So.... might this also be hinting his intention to stay beyond the initially agreed interim status...:cautious:
     
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  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Oh, captain contrarian is jumping all logic and reason in a single bound, to make even more stupid assertions on the games elite players lol... :rolleyes:


    This is like you calling Popp finished, Oberdorf and Lohmann overrated, Schüller one dimensional lol...:giggle:

    If you really don't understand why Gwinn an elite female FB, I'm not wasting time to tell you any different....
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    And yet it still doesn't change the simple fact the USwnt doesn't have a single FB within their entire system with the same level of quality as Gwinn lol...:coffee:

    In fact, I'd argue multiple Euro nations currently have significantly better FB's than the USwnt, with Gwinn's name firmly placed within the summit of those names ALL better than anything currently within the USwnt program...:whistling:
     
  17. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Linder currently performing superior than Gwinn is a good thing. Likewise if Kuver stays healthy & takes over at right FB, will even make the NT even stronger

    never mind the bad giveaway vs Denmark, but if you look at Roma’s first goal vs BM. Gwinn was completely out of position to help out with right side defense. Maybe Straus ordered Gwinn way upfield instead of holding on more defensively with an 2-0 with just 30 minutes to go, most player(especially FB’s)should have an built in mechanism that should have the
    able to read what’s going on in that particular play(the midfield wasn’t secured yet)—-so if anything, poorly misread by Gwinn.
     
  18. Lohmann

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    Feb 24, 2020
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  19. hotjam2

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    Damn, this lineup is an jigsaw puzzle trying to figure out what the midfield’s going to look like, lol

    what channel in Germany is showing it?(as no link so far on YT)
     
  20. Lohmann

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  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hmmmm, not sure what to think about the changed 11 Vs Wales, but if Krumbiegel has a good performance today, it could become a far bigger moment for her career than the game she'd score the winner Vs USA...:cautious:

    This due to the obvious fact new names like Alber, and Endemann, are both obvious options next in line to be wide forwards for the senior team, creating even less opportunities for anyone trying to justify Krumbiegel's presence within future squads if it means she's among the forwards.
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    I don't like the thought we're about to witness Brand tripping all over her own feet in a CAM role again...:unsure:, so even if Huth's far from the best option for the CAM role, maybe it's best that she features in the central role tonight.

    So yeah.... it appears Hrubesch really wasn't joking when he said the MVT era mid-field hierarchy is over lol.
     
  23. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Yeah... double 6 of Senß - Nüsken, as Huth takes the CAM in support of Popp, with Brand wide right.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Germany stupidly losing possession within their own half, lucky not to see Wales produce an attempt on goal... then Wales get a free shot on goal from a resulting corner.

    Germany need to wake up... as it's been a very slow ponderous start from them so far...:cautious:
     
  25. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The first minutes are the expected disaster...:devilish::mad:
     

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