Generosity Index 2004

Discussion in 'Elections' started by Ian McCracken, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Ian, let Ben borrow your card. Remember: the massive debts will, in the end, make you become more frugal which makes you a better person.
     
  2. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Government deficits mean nothing. I can't believe anybody has sleepless nights worrying whether the federal deficit is growing. Plenty of people have sleepless nights worrying about their own personal deficits. Plus, the current federal deficit, as a percentage of GNP, is inconsequential. Nothing a little belt tightening and lower unemployment won't fix in rapid succession.
     
  3. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    If deficits mean nothing, why should we have to tighten our belts at all? You've contradicted yourself in the span of 4 sentences.
     
  4. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Because tax burdens on Americans are too high. The actual deficit itself means nothing, but it gives politicians an excuse to raise taxes.
     
  5. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    You still haven't explained why we need to tighten our belts.
     
  6. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    So that politicians don't have excuses to raise taxes. I thought I made that clear already.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But isn't belt tightening having to pay more taxes?
     
  8. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No, it's reducing government spending. Everyone in DC could do a better job of cutting waste in the federal government, including the president.
     
  9. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    But Bush's spending in his first term . . .

    Damn. You covered that.
     
  10. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're reading into things that aren't there. I'd be happy to lower employment taxes to the dividend / cap gains rate. I just want to pay now whatever we spend now. And right now, we're spending a lot more than we'd ever bring in charging everyone 15% for it.

    Meanwhile, discretionary spending is skyrocketing under Republican control, and Bush hasn't vetoed a single spending bill. (That link is to the commie infiltrators known as the Heritage Foundation, by the way.) Dubya loves spending your kids' money, probably because he figures that, like Reagan, he'll be dead or senile before he has to actually watch somebody pay it. You've been betrayed by your own party, Mr. Small Government.
     
  11. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I call bullshit. $321 billion in annual debt interest payments, Ian, before we get to paying down the principal. Should we just default and start over? (Man, that'd screw the Saudis and Chinese, wouldn't it?)
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to drag this thread OT, but this is a good example of what is driving us on the left a bit nuts. In the reality based world, Bush is the biggest spender ever. He's killing the era of small gvt. all by himself. But the kinds of people who want small gvt. love him anyway.

    An analysis of the election that helps explain this is that for whatever reason, they see Bush as a member of their tribe, so anything he does is OK. And that tribe was able to muster 51% of the vote. I don't think all of those voters are in the tribe, so I'm hopeful that some of them will wake up and smell the reality soon. But if they don't, if delusional ignoramuses get to run the country, what hope is there?

    It's NOT about liberal-conservative. It's just about reality.
     
  13. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    Both sides have individuals who are not generous. Being generous has nothing to do with your political affiliation, but what is in your heart. For those who don't give to the less fortunate, I feel sorry for you.
     
  14. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Hey, if it worked well for Philip II, it can work for us too! Who's up for planning a fleet to sail to England? Anyone?
     
  15. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    In that case we're screwed. The so-called party of fiscal responsibility controls both houses of Congress and the White House and spending has ballooned tremendously. And they'll continue (so will Democrats) because the day they close the spigot they lose votes at home.
     

Share This Page