Gas: $2 dollars per gallon

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by verybdog, Oct 18, 2004.

  1. michaec

    michaec Member

    Arsenal
    England
    May 24, 2001
    Essex
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well living in London I don't use my car much. I use public transport to go to work, I use it to go to Highbury for games and if I'm out at the weekends I'm obviously not drinking and driving. Once you take out commuting, the car only gets used about three days a week on average.
     
  2. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Do you mean how do they survive with gas 2-3 times as much as America?
     
  3. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    yes
     
  4. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I think that's what the direction should be: creating more clean, safe public transportation in America. Car to be used only for leisures for city dwellers.
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well, you just don't go very far in your car. You avoid trips altogether or combine them. For example my better half has just gone to the shops. It's a round trip of about 20 miles so she gets the weeks shopping at a time. When I bought my house it was definitely a consideration that my place of work was about 50 yards away from my front door. When I bought my present car, (a Renault Laguna estate like this one),

    http://www.renault.com/gb/produits/laguna2break.htm

    I checked it's fuel consumption would average at least 40mpg with the way I usually drive. My next car will be a diesel and I will try and get one that does over 50mpg for the same reason.

    In other words, you do the obvious stuff.
     
  6. topcatcole

    topcatcole BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 26, 2003
    Washington DC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First, let me apologize for starting to get the thread off track. I didn't expect such a reaction (my naivete', I guess). I thought I was just making a quick joke. There is a lot more sensitivity out there than I realized.

    As to what he higher price of gas is doing here, I saw the other night (I think it was NBC News but I may not remember correctly) that it has pulled $60 billion out of other spending!! This seems high to me, but I don't have better figures to compare.

    I do know that this is a much smaller shock than the Arab oil embargo of the early 70's. Back then we were all so used to gas for $0.30 per gallon that the sudden jump to $0.50 per gallon was cataclysmic to the economy. It drove inflation to levels that we had never seen in he US. Inflation has not taken anywhere near that hard of a hit this time.

    One of the positive consequences then was a shift toward more energy efficiency. We have gradually drifted back away from this. As other posters have noted there are a lot more large vehicles on the road here than there were just a few years ago.

    I live in the city and lots of my neighbors have SUVs for no reason at all except they like the extra space and the feeling of power (for an entertaining read, check out how SUVs are marketed, it may make you think again about what it means to own one). DC has pretty good public transport, but it takes a lot of extra expense and hassle for commuters to get out of their cars. Another piece of this is that mass transit is not yet perceived as cost-effective versus driving your own car, because so many of the costs of driving are somewhat hidden on a day-to-day basis (expenses like car repairs, tires, etc). We generally think of the cost of operating our vehicle just as the cost of gas, but that is only the most visible part.

    I think one other thing that I haven't seen discussed on here is the preponderance of suburbs in America. Europe has suburbs but in general they are not as extensive or poorly planned as in the US. American suburbs are designed around the use of the car. Additionally, because they are relatively low population density (compared to the core city) it is difficult to design effective public transit. (BTW, I am a public transit user 3-4 times a week).
     
  7. 1953 4-2-4

    1953 4-2-4 Red Card

    Jan 11, 2004
    Cleveland
    Intersting. The EXACT phrase I used towards a Democrat that earned me a yellow card...
     
  8. 1953 4-2-4

    1953 4-2-4 Red Card

    Jan 11, 2004
    Cleveland
    Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
    Like a genuine,
    Bona fide,
    Electrified,
    Six-car
    Monorail!
    What'd I say?

    Ned Flanders: Monorail!

    Lyle Lanley: What's it called?

    Patty+Selma: Monorail!

    Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!

    [crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]

    Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...

    Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.

    Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?

    Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

    Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?

    Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.

    Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?

    Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.

    Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.

    Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.

    I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
    Throw up your hands and raise your voice!

    All: Monorail!

    Lyle Lanley: What's it called?

    All: Monorail!

    Lyle Lanley: Once again...

    All: Monorail!

    Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...

    Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!

    All: Monorail!
    Monorail!
    Monorail!

    [big finish]

    Monorail!
     
  9. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    driving less
    using public transport
    drive with many ppl in one car
    riding bikes/going by inline skates/feet/skiers (if you live in a mountain area)
    buying fuel efficient cars
    having more money if you buy bigger cars ;-)
    There is a big train system in every european country, plus flights are very cheap atm (20 € from Hanover/GER to Valencia/ESP? yes!)

    and than the distances in general are much smaller than in the US.
     
  10. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I've noticed that myself.

    Public Transit hasn't really caught up either.
     
  11. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    Cool. That's dirt-cheap.
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Er, are you sure you've clicked the 'Reply' button on the correct post? I was responding to a post asking how people in europe can survive with gas prices so high from verybdog - not you.
     
  13. michaec

    michaec Member

    Arsenal
    England
    May 24, 2001
    Essex
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's cheaper too. The bus costs me £7 per week to get to and from work. It would be a hell of a lot more in petrol and parking to drive to work, not to mention wear and tear on the car etc.
     
  14. topcatcole

    topcatcole BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 26, 2003
    Washington DC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are correct. I was looking at one thing and hit another. Sorry for the confusion.
     
  15. sardus_pater

    sardus_pater Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Sardinia Italy EU
    Club:
    Cagliari Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Here in italy the average is

    1,187 €/liter normal
    1,022 €/l diesel

    Different companies having slightly different prices.

    20 oct.
    AGIP 1,179 0,0 1,008 0,0
    API 1,187 -0,002 1,023 -0,002
    ERG 1,187 0,0 1,020 0,0
    ESSO 1,185 0,0 1,017 0,0
    FINA 1,187 0,0 1,023 0,0
    IP 1,185 0,0 1,021 0,0
    Q8 1,189 0,0 1,021 0,0
    SHELL 1,187 -0,001 1,023 -0,002
    TAMOIL 1,187 -0,001 1,022 -0,002

    Oristano, 12:25
    Abbatte colonna distributore benzina e scappa: ricercato

    Dopo aver fatto il pieno di benzina si è scagliato con forza contro la colonnina del distributore e lo ha buttato giù. Poi è fuggito. L'inspiegabile episodio è avvenuto nella notte a Oristano. Sull'episodio è intervenuta la polizia di stato di Oristano, che ha provveduto a rimettere l'impianto in sicurezza. (cor)

    transl. After having filled the tank an unknown man threw himself against the pump pulling it down. Then he ran away. The inexplicable episode happened last night in Oristano (Sardinia). (...)


    :D

    being used to it we (europeans) know how to deal with high gas prizes (usually).
     
  16. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

    Manchester United, Galway United, New York Red Bulls
    Nov 2, 2001
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Bear in mind that a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon i.e. a us gallon is .8327 imperial gallon or 3.7851 litres and an imperial 4.54609 litres.

    So when someone in the US says they get 30mpg, that is 36mpg in the UK.
     

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