FYI - column on Lavolpe

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by anderson, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. anderson

    anderson Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, fair enough. I'd just add that Lopez replaced Ed Fowler as one of the Houston Chronicle's main general sports columnists in late 1997 or early 1998, IIRC. Fowler, while a good baseball and football writer, had some fairly xenophobic rants against soccer. Lopez is obviously a generalist rather than a soccer specialist (Glenn Davis is the Chron's soccer columnist and Bernardo Fallas is their main soccer beat reporter), he enjoys soccer and has written about things like the need for more soccer fields in the inner city to meet the demands of the city's changing demographics. Believe me, he's an upgrade.
     
  2. Sakuragi

    Sakuragi Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Yup, you are correct. Somehow I got the notion that he had won the title with Toluca, but now that I looked at the record, he didn't. One title is not saying that much for Lavolpe.
     
  3. Kur #10

    Kur #10 Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Mexico Citay
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    haha wtf
     
  4. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    What is Lavolpe's record since he has been coaching the N.T?
     
  5. jlscrub

    jlscrub New Member

    Jul 9, 2004
    Toronto
    RDL--

    say what you want about me not being an expert on the NT, let alone LaVolpe. I concede that. That's why Im here. To learn.

    The point is all the newscasts, newspapers and the mexicanos here in LA (Nacos included). all agree on one thing.

    The NT is playing good. And they like LaVolpe's tactics.

    Yes those are two things that dont show up on a stat sheet.

    The ultimate test will be what they do next year. Lets say that Mexico makes it to the semifinals. :) :eek:

    And they loose. And they loose in the 3rd place game. They dont even place at the WC.

    THat wont be on your stat sheet either.

    But where will you put Mexican soccer under LaVolpe then.

    Plug that one into your TI-85.

    BTW---Stop bringing Peru into it. I was born here. I'm southern cali til I die. My sports throughtout PeeWee football through my Varsity days have been coached by AMericans with OUR United States mentatlity.

    So I know what it means to be pissed at the other team. And yet I still say that is why soccer is so unique. TO applaud and recognize a good job.

    Recognize the job LaVolpe's done biaach.
     
  6. Sakuragi

    Sakuragi Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Don't laugh, fool. You're hurting my feelings. :D

    Next time I'll get myself informed first before typing anything. :D
     
  7. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro.. .

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    Didnt you complain about Mexicos Win over Argentina because you didnt like how they played. Football is about winning. Plain and simple.. .

    :) ;) :D
     
  8. smartbomb

    smartbomb Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    Club:
    Club Tigres de la UANL
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro.. .

    I used to have a (very bad) futbol-7 team with my friends, we played every week at some very good field downtown. Once we invited another friend (he was like our 'refuerzo') for an important game; we were sure we wouls kick ass with him as striker, but he wasn't very excited about playing with us:

    Him: Well, just beacuse I play doesn't mean we are automatically winning, you know?

    Us: (Trying to trick him into the team) C'mon, soccer is about having fun!

    Him: Yeah, but I don't find losing funny :)

    = Words of Wisdom =

    ps: in the end, he couldn't make it to the game but we still won 8-6.(It was a futbol 7 tournament, remember :))
     
  9. siva66

    siva66 Member+

    Apr 7, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    i agree that he is an upgrade, the paper has upgraded to the point that soccer is actually recognized. i've had too many years of reading the chronicles one-sided and uninformed columnists. but i guess that's what you get when there is only one major paper in town.
     
  10. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    You know some media should really ask Hugo Sanchez what his coaching methods would be and who would he call up to the seleccion and what tactics he would make?
     
  11. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    That's why I brought up his record with the N.T.
    If winning it's all that matters, he is doing darn well with el tri (if you use that rationale) 7 lost games out of 57? not bad.
     
  12. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    then why the drastic change if everything is allright and threaten to call up Franco?

    You people fail to read between the lines and fail to see his lies.

    you, potter, scruby failed to get what i was trying to say when I 1st said you guys have to read between the lines

    to make my point clearer... I am going to use the reasoning behind an interrogation that was used in the movie "a few good men". The Gen said that the private was to be stationed out 1st thing in the morning because his life may be in danger. He also said that his order are always followed to the T or people die. SO the lawyer asked... why ship him if your the general's orders are always folloewed?

    you see where I am getting with this?

    If our stats are great, why a drastic move like calling in more foreigners?

    if our goal productivity is so great, why belittle our Mexican forwards and threaten to call naturalizez players?

    It shows that La Volpe STILL does not have faith in his players.

    THAT IS WHAT I AM REFERRING TO, when I say you have the read between the fvcking lines.

    We beat Argentina in group play playing scared ass tactics, and we blow it the 1st single emilination game against Brazil.

    In the confeds, we beat Brazil, and lose to Argentina in a rather juvenile way.

    We are losing when it matters. We are winning when there is still another day.

    If people want to chose to use (or not) La Volpe's stats to justify why he should be there... fine.

    but they are being hipocrits.

    i knew exactly who the hipocrits were when they fvcking cried when we lost to the US because the US played antifootball tactics... and now... its okay

    And what has he won??/ a gold cup???

    what happened in the Confed Cup? What happened Copa America? What happened in Olympics?

    some of you are liking him because we are better than we were last hex. NO SHYT. But why settle for less?
     
  13. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro.. .

    What happened when he got out of the shade and had to play single elimination matches?

    we can win in group stages... WE ALL KNOW THAT...what happened after?

    Lavolpe cant handle pressure. You see that in the way he handles the coaching position (press)... and you expect to show his players how to handle pressure?
     
  14. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas


    I said nothing about liking him, to be honest, most of the time I'm not satisfied with the N.T's play. I just happen to disagree that winning is (or the best winning record) are the most important factors in choosing the N.T Coach, there are other things to consider, other than the hard numbers, because if you go by that, he is doing (seemingly) a good job with EL TRI despite his past record as a coach in the Mexican league.
     
  15. RafaMarquez

    RafaMarquez New Member

    Dec 28, 2004
    Rosarito
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    Our players are too good for Mexico not to have a great record by murdering Island teams and Central American teams. Lavolpe has nothing to do with this.

    When winning counts, we fail to win, and Lavolpe does have to do with that.

    You can blame the loss to argentina on PKS or because of Rafa's red card, but if lavolpe didn't order to bunker after being up in overtime, we might have had a better chance of holding the lead.

    That is what LMvCP is saying.
     
  16. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    The way I see it, when Mexico plays bad, it is not always Lavople's fault either. He does not instruct Bofo to trip on the ball or his own legs most of the time, or to certain players to miss those easy sitters or for Maza to suck
    monkey balls.

    The thing with the Argentina game is that we also have to look at Argentina's tactics right after Mexico scored, always pressuring Mexico in their own halve of the field to try and get the ball, therefore not allowing them to play their game. Do you honestly think that the Mexican players wanted to bunker? or were forced to bunker?.
     
  17. RafaMarquez

    RafaMarquez New Member

    Dec 28, 2004
    Rosarito
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    If you remember the first half of the Jamaica game, we were completely dominating, getting a lot of chances and pressuring. Jamaica had very few shots and they were always playing on their side of the field.

    Then what happend ?, Lavolpe took out the person who scored, and the person who gave the assist, and to put the cherry on top, he subs Israel Lopez in. We played like ******** throughout the rest of the game. Very little shots, very little opportunities.

    I ask you, Who is to blame ?

    When Mexico does bad, It's not because our players play bad, but because Laloser puts in bad players.
     
  18. Kur #10

    Kur #10 Member

    Dec 16, 2002
    Mexico Citay
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    where do you get Lavolpe ordered the players to bunker??

    The players were freaking out after they scored, the Televisa commentators even said that Lavolpe was ordering them to keep on attacking!
    Blaming Lavolpe for every little thing is real easy.... but it's not constructive.

    We can dislike his person and all, but he's done his job. I don't recall anyone giving so much shyt to Aguirre when we were obviously worse back then.

    We're not Brazil, we could be but we're not right now, so instead of worrying about how we win, if it's "jogo bonito" or not, we should look at the results, they're positive.. some of you make it seem as if the sky were falling, we're one year from the real test. And thats where the foreign players come in, at the Confed. Cup we saw how we still need a constant forward to play with Borgetti, if we're missing a key player, its on that position I beleive.

    I'm not saying I want another naturalized player, specially not Franco, I'm just stating why I think Lavolpe insists on the matter.
     
  19. Solid444

    Solid444 Member+

    Jun 21, 2003
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas

    You bring up a good point about Aguirre. Lets be honest, the guy basicly lost the game against the US for panicking, taking out Morales and putting in Hernandez. However, even though he made this stupid mistake, at much greater odds than LaVolpe has had to face, we still didn't give him such a hard time as we give LaVolpe.
     
  20. metalmaster

    metalmaster Member+

    Jul 7, 2004
    In the wrong hood
    Club:
    Hakoah Maccabi Ramat Gan
    Re: El Dia Que Temoc LLoro..porque es un maricas


    don't get confused, or better yet do not missunderstand me, I never said he does not make mistakes. We all know some of his call ups are stupid, it has been discussed here to death.
     
  21. Goofy

    Goofy Member

    Jun 10, 2005
    support for oneself.
    I'm reading here there are some folks who criticize the national team's substitutions last game.
    You have to realize players get tired. Sometimes players are constantly fouled. Sometimes players are injured yet they play some minutes nevertheless. And sometimes a team's needs change through the match.
    And yes, sometimes you need to watch other players and give them minutes. Especially when facing a mediocre team like Jamaica, you've already qualified to the next round, and your players dis the mediocre opponent.
    I care manure about what type of football satisfies some of you, but honestly I guess either you've been unsatisfied a long, long time or never been satisfied at all.
    I mean, after 1994, Mejia Baron's unmotivated team REALLY sucked A$$ (remember that 5-0 vs USA?)
    Then, Bora's pragmatic, midfield-heavy team qualified to the WC amidst some of the lowest tv ratings the MNT has ever had.
    Lapuente was even more boring and fared equally in the WC as Mejia Baron.
    Then, Ojitos Meza came, made the NT even slower, couldn't make some players commit while others, like Chima or Victor Ruiz never shone as NT players.
    As for Javier Aguirre's team, well... it just accomplished what was expected of it.
    Can't get no satisfaction?
     
  22. Pirru

    Pirru Member+

    Sep 21, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    we critized his subs against jamaica because wut the fvck he put israel lopez in when he had much better players on the bench. Lavolpe took out zinha who was playing a good game. Lavolpe had more options then israel.
     
  23. Mosco

    Mosco Member+

    Dec 1, 2004
    Sun Valley, CA
    Thats very true!
     

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