So I picked these up the other day from a small shop. They are size 8.5, top of the line Vapor indoors from 2003. They are brand new, with the box, never worn. They are super nice in person and I like them but I am never going to appreciate them as much as someone else might. Now, the price I am not sure what something like this is worth. Make me some reasonable offers. I would consider some trades as well possibly. Let me know if you are interested.