Friday 17 Apr 2020

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Apr 17, 2020.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What Development Academy Closing Means for U.S. Soccer, MLS and USA's Youth Structure
    https://www.si.com/soccer/2020/04/16/us-soccer-development-academy-closing-mls-youth-future

    MLS: Behind closed doors or bust or 2020 season?
    https://mlsmultiplex.com/2020/04/16/mls-behind-closed-doors-bust-2020-season/

    USL eying possible July start to season, participation in US Open Cup in question
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...art-season-participation-us-open-cup-question

    Guide to Soccer Analytics
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/soccer-analytics-guide/2020

    Soccer Analytics: Meet the analysts at MLS clubs
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/soccer-analytics-guide/2020/mls-club-analysts

    Favorite MLS road trips
    https://www.ajc.com/blog/atlanta-united/favorite-mls-road-trips/T40pOx8Cdi932Ze75WOLFI/

    Sporting KC veteran Roger Espinoza talks MLS stoppage, state of international soccer
    https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mls/sporting-kc/article242052596.html

    Players, clubs furious over reports Liga MX will end promotion and relegation
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/mexican...rts-liga-mx-will-end-promotion-and-relegation

    Partick Thistle accepts cruel relegation despite match-in-hand
    https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2020/0...scottish-championship-relegation-coronavirus/

    Detroit City FC: The football team rising from America’s biggest ruin
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52308463
     
  2. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's name the badge:
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  3. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's soccer documentary:
     
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  4. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Atlas, no?
     
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  5. QuarkspaceDotCom

    Mar 14, 2000
    Deep in the Bluegrass Hinterlands
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    Wales
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  6. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As has been noted, the girls are mostly better off without the USSDA. USSF started it for PR reasons, not soccer ones. Particularly since college soccer is still the goal for 99% of young girls, they already had a structure that was producing the best players in the world. Tough to improve on that.

    Obviously the boys side is completely different.

    ISTM that bringing elite boys soccer in-house hastens the day when MLS teams have residential academies. Otherwise you're shutting out kids who dont live within reasonable daily travel distance of an MLS city, which is self defeating.

    Not long ago I talked to a guy whose daughter is an elite youth ballet student. I was astonished at the similarities. The best training, the best facilities and the best teachers work at one of the ballet schools attached to big ballet companies, and if you're good enough to get in - which isnt easy - then you still have to get to class 6 days a week in Houston or San Francisco or Boston or Miami etc.

    If you cant swing that then you're just SOL as far as that professional dancing career you wanted. And figure on paying 25k a year for the privilege

    Pay to play, pay to dance.
     
  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    SKC, Philly, Vancouver, Seattle, & DCU are just some of the MLS teams that already have residential academies.

    The reality is that this is talking about a small percentage of players at the end of the day. The percentage of soccer players that go on to play at the college level is small. It's also going to get smaller as more school eliminate programs to cut costs. Now, out of these elite players, it's still a very small percentage that go on to play professionally, let alone for a national team.

    These academies are solely dealing with the top prospects. The growing of the game needs to happen at the local level. The USSF needs to come up with a better way to educate coaches, and also a way to help fund high school and local youth programs through grants. The new reality, is that High School sports are going to increasingly become pay to play themselves. Also, schools are more likely to shutter programs that school boards deem less popular.

    I realize we're also talking about opportunity here as well. The bottomline is that if you have elite talent and the desire, elite teams and schools will find a way to get you that opportunity. That may be through a sponsor or a scholarship, etc.
     
  8. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Atlas, yes.
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *shrug*
     
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  10. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #10 wantmlsphilly, Apr 17, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
    My conspiracy theory as MLS makes its play to take over the world (insert evil genius laugh). With the U.S., Mexico & Canada set to host the 2026 World Cup and talks of a North American superleague rumor gaining traction, I believe I've figured out their diabolical plan.
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    With top teams in Liga MX worried about teams being promoted being viable for promotion the league introduced a certification system.
    Second division clubs were affected by the decision by Liga MX to implement a certification system to qualify for promotion, which was done in order to guarantee clubs moving up had sufficient funds, that the money was coming from a legitimate source and that it had adequate facilities.
    As it stands now none of the second division teams qualified as the league has shrunk from 18 teams to just twelve. What if the plan is to end pro/rel so they can expand the league to 20 and eventually to thirty to create the super league.
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    The new league could consist of ten teams in two divisions from each league. They would play a 38 game schedule with the top three teams qualifying for playoffs with the division winner getting a bye and all games being one off. Each year the bottom team would be relegated and the champion of Liga MX and MLS would be promoted. Only teams from the new league would qualify for CONCACAF with the exception of a Canadian team if they aren't promoted that year. That would make League Cup for MLS and Liga MX and solve schedule congestion.
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    So what would all this accomplish? Well the controversy would surely create a buzz in America and Mexico not to mention the rest of the world I would imagine. I could see the end of single entity and both leagues moving to some type of a franchise system with a salary cap. It would protect investment of current owners of MLS at the same time giving owners of Liga MX teams more stability and the chance to create a developmental league.
    According to reports, none of the Ascenso MX clubs qualified for the certification this season. The league has been reduced from 18 teams to 12 over the past three years, with clubs dropping out. A development league with age and foreign player limits is set to replace the current format, according to reports.
    It would also create a faux system of pro/rel which might appease some but obviously not all. At the same time it could help create more revenue from T.V. with more eyeballs from two countries.This could give these 12 teams a chance to get up to par to make it into Liga MX at the same time letting them know if you don't the alternative is the second division at best. With countries of the two leagues set to host in 2026, I could see a target date of two years after to build off that momentum with a start date of 2028 (insert evil genius laugh).
     
  11. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Winner, winner!
     
  12. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well played, sir...well played.
     
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  13. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Boom, it's done.

     
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  14. carnifex2005

    carnifex2005 Member+

    Jul 1, 2008
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    [​IMG]
     
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  15. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    This but uniroincally.
     
  16. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I was talking to a friend who's a D1 coach who's a big name in an obscure sport and he was saying that the non-revenue sports are bracing for the worst right now. If football loses a season don't be unprepared for a Thanos snapping his fingers level wipeout of men's programs.
     
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  17. wantmlsphilly

    wantmlsphilly Member+

    Aug 2, 2006
    Philadelphia, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Evil genius laugh.
     
  18. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #18 Doogh, Apr 17, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2020
    Pro/rel zealots angry that...a soccer league (that barely relegates its teams, after they literally pay the league to stay off from relegation), doesn't wanna play footsies anymore?

    Boo hoo. Soccer is (apparently) dead.
     
  19. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Just like everything else, sports are going to need a bail out. The amount depends on what happens with the NFL and NCAA football/basketball. The bailout will be tied to a broader bailout of arts and colleges in general.

    The NFL are about 20-25% of annual sports revenue. If the NFL can play and don’t need bailed out, that would be big, upwards of $20 billion. The NBA’s biggest risk is a rebound of the disease next winter.

    Baseball and soccer are going to take the biggest hit.

    College basketball lost over $1 billion by canceling the tournament. Total college sports revenues are about $11 billion. Football and basketball are the money makers, where sports make money.
     
  20. BakedAlaskan

    BakedAlaskan Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Ancho-RAGE,Alaska
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    If you wanted to see what Jim Curtin would look like if he played drums in a Jazz Trio run by a Thrash Metal guitarist, well wait no more.
     
  21. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Warning: Rant ahead!

    Here's a wild and crazy idea: How about college sports actually being true collegiate ventures rather than tangential operations designed to mask the semi-pro factories that allow the NBA and NFL to avoid developing their own talent?

    Look, I used to love a good Saturday in fall as much as the next guy and few spectacles match the passion and energy that goes into some of these games*, but the degree to which NCAA hoops and gridiron have skewed the model is beyond laughable. (In what other sporting league is having twice as many home games as road games acceptable?) The business of college sports has become its own self serving enterprise that may bring college opportunities otherwise not available to some kids but has warped the priorities for many and from which only select people reap real benefits. If we've reached a point where the only way to help try to educate some kids is by a system that risks health and exploitation so that a very select group of others can be millionaires then maybe we're doing it wrong. If the only way the likes of South Alabama can afford their programs is by being a whipping boy for someone like LSU then that sure sounds like a rigged system. Our efforts to educate the future labor force deserves better, and our sense of fair play in sport likewise deserves better.

    Okay, I'm done.




    *Fun fact: Terminus Legion, the fan group behind MLS2ATL and 1 of the 4 official supporters clubs for AUFC was born in large part out of discussions among soccer-loving GT alum wanting to improve atmosphere at home football games. Still have some of the emails.
     
  22. CMeszt

    CMeszt Member+

    Farewell Sweet Prince
    Jan 9, 2004
    Gentrification's Apex.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    That or just fully professionalize the major football teams, UNAM Pumas style.
     
  23. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    I appreciate what you are saying.

    College sports are broadcast by for-profit networks using the airwaves for the public purpose of making private profits.

    These for profit networks are paying not-for-profit NCAA that employs high paid executives. The college athletic departments are filled with high paid executives.

    There is all this money moving around because us alumni want to relive our glory days.

    With all this money running around, the high brow goal of amateurism is a pipe dream
     
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  24. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    I used to think the nepotism charge was overblown.
     
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  25. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #25 Bill Archer, Apr 19, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2020
    This whole virus deal is going to bring down a lot of marginal enterprises, in and out of college sports, which has been wallowing around in cash like pigs in mud for far too long.

    Fortunately, the sport I care most about-soccer, obviously - is already well down the road to complete separation from the NCAA. A lot of other sports have no place else to go and that's just reality.

    I'm not immune to feeling bad about it, but change was long overdue.
     
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