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afgrijselijkheid · Nov 9, 2003

still waiting to know the name of the publication that MSU story was from...

dawgpound2 · Nov 10, 2003

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Originally posted by Mel Brennan
Exactly what unions have you been in? 'Cause the GM folks I've worked with busted their ass...and had a quality of life, not due to GM's magnanimousness, but rather due to the fact that they were not advocating for things in the workplace by themselves, but rather were organized such that they had power.

Since 1935 and the Wagner Act, there has been a concerted effort by business to destroy both the power of labour unions, and the average man's affinity for them. There's a good reason for that: as Chomsky submits, "...if people are all alone, they really are defenseless, they just assume "I can only look out for myself," and then that builds up a real privatization of interests, which in turn contributes to their oppression."

Talk about ignorance. There are only two kinds of informed people who celebrate the lack of power regarding labour unions in this country: business owners, and owner wanna-bes, who work harder than owners to maintain systems of advantage and oppression in the hopes that one day they will be able to step on the shoulders of all those workers and be an owner themselves...anyone else who advocates against organised workers is either ignorant or insane, period.

Illegal firings, courts playing "See No Evil, Hear No Evil," Justice Dept. flatly REFUSING to prosecute Wagner violations, the NLRB set up in such a way that you have to wait five years for your case to be heard...and you think unions are bad?

Unions, and organising, is the regular man and woman's only hope, you wannabe...
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Okay, let me get this straight. I tell you I HAVE WORKED in a union at GM, and other unions. I tell you that these people I WORKED with were flat-out lazy and not good workers, and I'm a wannabe? Sounds like you can't handle the truth, little boy.

Dan Loney · Nov 10, 2003

Originally posted by Cascarino's Pizzeria
If it is unfair to discriminate based on one's sexual preference then certainly someone with strong (though not necessarily popular) religious beliefs should be equally protected. MSU is going to lose big if this goes to court.

If this was a muslim group seeking club status on campus with the exact same views on homosexuality, they'd be admitted in a heartbeat. I'm definitely not pro-religious right, but they are one of the few groups that can be openly & zealously discriminated against in the US. I find it distasteful and not very democratic at all to shun a national organization.
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I think we're agreeing here, but on the big picture.

I don't think Montclair State compares to HUAC or McCarthy or even something like CBS being obliged to censor itself.

Mel Brennan · Nov 10, 2003

Originally posted by Dan Loney
I think we're agreeing here, but on the big picture.

I don't think Montclair State compares to HUAC or McCarthy or even something like CBS being obliged to censor itself.
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I agree with this as well.

Mel Brennan · Nov 10, 2003

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Originally posted by dawgpound2
Okay, let me get this straight. I tell you I HAVE WORKED in a union at GM, and other unions. I tell you that these people I WORKED with were flat-out lazy and not good workers, and I'm a wannabe? Sounds like you can't handle the truth, little boy.
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(1) Unless you are 6 foot 8 and 259 pounds, you're little-er than this "little boy."

(2) I'm, again, asking you which unions you worked in (and where), because I'm telling you that there are a diversity of union experiences out there (I, for example, worked with Local 1 (Stagehands) in NYC for an extended period, and found them to be supremely confident, well-paid assbusters who worked extremely hard), and nonetheless to be a worker and advocate against unions, and their protections, is to be either an owner, or a wannabe owner...

(3) Grow up, take a deep breath, and plunge into wholly new territory for you...addressing the ideas in the thread...

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Nov 10, 2003

Originally posted by bluedaddy19
still waiting to know the name of the publication that MSU story was from...
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My bad. It was a front page story in The Bergen Record (NJ) last week.

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Nov 10, 2003

Originally posted by Mel Brennan
I agree. This group, unless it is involved in hate speech, should without question be allowed into the campus community...include, include include...
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I found this line from the SGA president MORE offensive than anything the Campus Crusade leader might have said:

Hudnut, who is gay, said a presentation by the group's student leader showed intolerance for homosexuals, insensitivity toward non-Christian religions, and a belief that the United States was founded on purely Christian principles.

Now we weren't there, but assuming that the leader of a Christian group had the GALL to promote his Christian views in public, Mr. Hudnut is apparently the bigot in this situation. "whaddya mean he believes Christ is the one true savior? that's not being inclusive!" The Campus Crusade group is being punished for their beliefs before they've even had a chance to become a campus club. Certainly sounds like a liberal form of McCarthyism.

I'll post the follow-up article when the lawsuit is filed.