Re: France sucks I think you have comparison backwards. Of course there will be less harassment when the more modest choice is made.
Re: France sucks For me it is a bit more basic. A person's face is the part of them that announces to the world "I am unique" as other than identical siblings, no one shares the same face. The burka takes that away from half the population. That said, the ban is nothing more than fascism
Re: France sucks So why should we feel somewhat entitled to see everyone's face? Frankly, I see nothing wrong with someone not wanting to share.
Re: France sucks Further debate, again with Salma and another Muslim academic, about the veil. I haven't seen it all, just been sent the link. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtLd6AKiTfs"]YouTube - Frost Over the World - Debating the face veil[/ame]
Re: France sucks Are you purposefully missing the point? The issue is that whilst some people might object/be offended by to the fact that the Muslima is going out with her face not covered, no one will give a rats arse if a woman decides not to wear high heels.
Re: France sucks And something off on a slight tangent, for those interested. It's about female Imams in China: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128628514
Re: France sucks I am not opposed to Muslim countries trying to separate religion from politics and government. How they go about it can be open to question, but for the most part I think that is a question for the Muslims in the country to decide for themselves. France is not a Muslim country. Unless the woman is a teacher at the school or a government employee who deals with the public, there is no governmental endorsement issue and separation between religion and state is not threatened by the individual citizen's free exercise of religion on public or governmental property. By your logic, a law could be passed to prohibit Muslims from praying in government buildings. I submit to you that in western constitutional democracies, having a "weak" free exercise clause in the name of trying to create a "strong" establishment clause creates a danger for the very type of religious persecution that the first amendment in the U.S. Constitution was designed to prevent. Depends. Does she work at Fox News?
Re: France sucks On the heels issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8255909.stm http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219514/Why-need-exceptionally-heeled-work-Harrods.html http://excelle.monster.com/news/art...kes-female-staff-wear-lipstick-and-high-heels
Re: France sucks You do know that public schools in America don't allow teacher-led prayer, right? It isn't just some Muslim countries which enforce secularism in government-run institutions.
Really? You're not just bullshitting? You're being truthful? I'm not being a dick, I'd just really like to know, because like demos and bigred, I do find it a little hard to believe that women dressed like that can participate in society outside of the family.
Re: France sucks Yes, I'm quite aware it is--as long as it's not led by the teacher or another school official, or made mandatory.
No bullshit. In fact, they are typically working directly with the public in a customer service capacity at places like the power company (DEWA) and some of the various ministries. http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/general/dnrd-sets-up-committee-of-women-employees-hawa-1.52662 To me the most interesting part is that even though they are veiled, they still have to wear a picture ID without the veil on. I'm not sure how the two square. It's just interesting. Edit: One more question. Does this French ban effect wedding veils?
Here's a story about that from todays Wash Post: The few U.S. Muslim women who choose full veil face mix of harassment, sympathy
That would be funny, the French police giving out tickets to the wife as soon as she comes out of the Church (or before she goes into the church) I guess they should if they are covered in a public place (outside the church grounds) Well now that I think about it, France pays (gives tax money) to churches, mosques, etc. Does that mean that even inside those buildings/grounds they are still in public space?
The law is designed to affect only permanent wearers. So the police will first ask them to remove it, if they refuse they will issue a fine or send them to the french Gulags for re-education. It's specifically targeted at wearers of the Niqab, meaning that scarf-wearers, nuns, newly-weds and armed robbers will remain un-victimised.
my question is were does it end? are we going to have the govt tell me what kind of jacket i can wear?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLValMc9XjU&playnext=1&list=PL1D7BBA5BA7A9FD56"]YouTube - My Counsin Vinny Funny Sequence[/ame]