FourFourTwo Top 100 Players

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  1. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Annually FourFourTwo magazine produce a ranking of the 100 best players in the world. No criteria are given but here is the list from the January 2013 edition:

    100. Fernando Torres
    99. James Rodriguez
    98. Mario Mandzukic
    97. Dede
    96. Steven Gerrard
    95. Lukasz Piszczek
    94. Javier Hernandez
    93. Lukas Podolski
    92. Mario Gotze
    91. Marouane Fellaini
    90. Kevin-Prince Boateng
    89. Isco
    88. Diego Milito
    87. Alan Dzagoev
    86. Hernanes
    85. Samir Handanovic
    84. Roberto Soldado
    83. Marek Hamsik
    82. Javi Martinez
    81. Jeremy Menez
    80. Jakub Blaszczykowski
    79. Hulk
    78. Victor Valdes
    77. Lucas Moura
    76. Nemanja Vidic
    75. Andrea Barzagli
    74. Christian Eriksen
    73. Miroslav Klose
    72. Mario Gomez
    71. Mario Balotelli
    70. Oscar
    69. Samir Nasri
    68. Thomas Vermaelen
    67. Toni Kroos
    66. Arjen Robben
    65. Fernando Llorente
    64. Joao Moutinho
    63. Shinji Kagawa
    62. Javier Pastore
    61. Frank Lampard
    60. Carlos Tevez
    59. Giorgio Chiellini
    58. Ramires
    57. Mats Hummels
    56. Marcelo
    55. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
    54. Carles Puyol
    53. Samuel Eto'o
    52. Pedro
    51. Joe Hart
    50. Santi Cazorla
    49. Alexis Sanchez
    48. Wesley Sneijder
    47. Marco Reus
    46. Claudio Marchisio
    45. Luis Suarez
    44. Antonio Valencia
    43. Daniele De Rossi
    42. Dani Alves
    41. Pepe
    40. Ashley Cole
    39. Antonio Di Natale
    38. Gerard Pique
    37. Luka Modric
    36. Manuel Neuer
    35. David Villa
    34. Franck Ribery
    33. Jordi Alba
    32. Juan Mata
    31. Mesut Ozil
    30. Eden Hazard
    29. Sergio Ramos
    28. Neymar
    27. Andel Di Maria
    26. Gianluigi Buffon
    25. Bastian Schweinsteiger
    24. Gonzalo Higuain
    23. Sergio Busquets
    22. Robert Lewandowski
    21. Thiago Silva
    20. Edinson Cavani
    19. Xabi Alonso
    18. Philipp Lahm
    17. Karim Benzema
    16. David Silva
    15. Cesc Fabregas
    14. Vincent Kompany
    13. Zlatan Ibrahimovic
    12. Iker Casillas
    11. Gareth Bale
    10. Wayne Rooney
    9. Andrea Pirlo
    8. Sergio Aguero
    7. Yaya Toure
    6. Xavi
    5. Robin Van Persie
    4. Radamel Falcao
    3. Andres Iniesta
    2. Cristiano Ronaldo
    1. Lionel Messi
     
  2. Hendrixforpope

    Hendrixforpope Member+

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Dec 15, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Messi-CR7-Iniesta seems to be the popular choice and order of the top 3.
     
  3. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Hehe Andres Iniesta does it again.
    Seriously though Zlatan, Ribery, Hunterlaar, Hummels and Cazorla look underrated.
    Rooney ahead of Zlatan?
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Relate it to position. For example:

    57. Mats Hummels
    54. Carles Puyol
    38. Gerard Pique
    29. Sergio Ramos

    Save for Puyol, who has been overrated throughout his career and is only marginally ranked above Hummels, it is justified that the other two are ranked above Hummels. Tiago Silva and Kompany are ranked even higher and deservedly so. Also propelled by their euro2012 campaign (won't bother you with it again but of course the world would look different if Ramos had received his red card against Croatia etcetera).

    The most overrated is Sergio Aguero in my opinion. Indeed, Ribery is just as good if not better as him.

    EDIT: I indeed missed Pepe, who does not belong there. I'd say that Pique has recovered well from his mediocre previous season and did good at euro2012 (Hummels did not look good against Italy and was just as Lahm also shaky at times against Portugal).
    No, Pique is not in the league of Kompany or Silva but I would rank him over Hummels yes based on euro2012 (not based on 2011-2012 season).
    Pepe and Puyol are overrated compared with Hummels.
     
  5. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    You've missed Pepe at 41.
    Big gap between Hummels and Pepe/Pique justified?

    Anyway it would be the smallest error, the big ones are Zlatan and Ribery in my opinion.
     
  6. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Again ... media and big media ... production list ...

    1- Iniesta was again in TOP3 for his 2 good games at Euro?
    2- Xavi, Rooney and Gareth Bale? LOL better than Zlatan and Riberry? C'mon ...
    3- A.Cole and putyol are WAY OFF their best but still make higher than most DF???
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Fernando Torres? Seriously?
     
  8. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Indeed he does. Comme will lead the rebellion.:)
     
  9. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    There really isn't a rebellion needed, the numbers presented by lanman in the Ballon D'or thread speak for themselves.
     
  10. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    What do they speak?
     
  11. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    German idiom wrongly translated...
     
  12. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    he should be #101 in the TOP100 list LOL
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    World Soccer panel 'World XI'

    Casillas; Lahm, Ramos, Kompany, Alba; Iniesta, Pirlo, Xavi; Ronaldo, Messi, Falcao

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    The votes
    Goalkeeper
    Iker Casillas
    (Real Madrid & Spain, 57 votes)

    Others…
    Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus & Italy, 18)
    Manuel Neuer (Bayern Munich & Germany, 18)
    Petr Cech (Chelsea & Czech Republic, 15)
    Joe Hart (Manchester City & England, 2)
    Hugo Lloris (Lyon/Tottenham H & France, 1)
    Kennedy Mweene (Free State Stars & Zambia, 1)

    Defenders
    Sergio Ramos
    (Real Madrid & Spain, 63)
    Philipp Lahm
    (Bayern Munich & Germany, 48)
    Vincent Kompany
    Manchester City & Belgium, 42)
    Jordi Alba
    (Valencia/Barcelona & Spain, 42)

    Others…
    Gerard Pique (Barcelona & Spain, 28)
    Thiago Silva (Milan/PSG & Brazil, 28)
    Mats Hummels (Bor Dortmund & Germany, 23)
    Ashley Cole (Chelsea & England, 21)
    Dani Alves (Barcelona & Brazil, 19)
    Giorgio Chiellini (Juventus & Italy, 20)
    Pepe (Real Madrid & Portugal, 17)
    Marcelo (Real Madrid & Brazil, 11)
    David Luiz (Chelsea & Brazil, 8 )
    Lucasz Piszczek (Bor Dortmund & Poland, 4)
    John Terry (Chelsea & England, 4)
    Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid & Spain, 3)
    Andrea Barzagli (Juventus & Italy, 3)
    Maicon (Internazionale/Man City & Brazil, 3)
    Fabio Coentrao (Real Madrid & Portugal, 2)
    Stopilla Sunzu (TP Mazembe & Zambia, 2)
    Nemanja Vidic (Manchester United & Serbia, 2)
    Ignazio Abate (Milan & Italy, 1)
    David Alaba (Bayern Munich & Austria, 1)
    Pablo Armero (Udinese & Colombia, 1)
    Federico Balzaretti (Roma & Italy, 1)
    Jerome Boateng (Bayern Munich & Germany, 1)
    Leonardo Bonucci (Juventus & Italy, 1)
    Gael Clichy (Manchester City & France, 1)
    Dante (Bor M’gladbach/Bayern Munich, 1)
    Patrice Evra (Manchester United & France, 1)
    Theodor Gebre Selassie (Slovan Liberec/Werder
    Bremen & Czech Republic, 1)
    Mauricio Isla (Juventus & Chile, 1)
    Emilio Izaguirre (Celtic & Honduras, 1)
    Glen Johnson (Liverpool & England, 1)
    Christian Maggio (Napoli & Italy, 1)
    Javier Mascherano (Barcelona & Argentina, 1)
    John Mensah (Hearts of Oak & Ghana, 1)
    Yuto Nagatomo (Internazionale & Japan, 1)
    Carlos Salcido (Tigres & Mexico, 1)
    Thiago Neves (Fluminense & Brazil, 1)
    Bruno Vieira (Fluminense, 1)
    Javier Zanetti (Internazionale & Argentina, 1)

    Midfielders
    Andres Iniesta
    (Barcelona & Spain, 94)
    Andrea Pirlo
    (Juventus & Italy, 72)
    Xavi
    (Barcelona & Spain, 59)

    Others…
    Yaya Toure (Manchester City & Ivory Coast, 29)
    Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid & Spain, 18)
    Gareth Bale (Tottenham Hotspur & Wales, 9)
    Mesut Ozil (Real Madrid & Germany, 7)
    David Silva (Manchester City & Spain, 6)
    Sergio Busquets (Barcelona & Spain, 4)
    Sami Khedira (Real Madrid & Germany, 4)
    Bastian Schweinsteiger (Bayern M & Germany, 4)
    Eden Hazard (Lille/Chelsea & Belgium, 3)
    Shinji Kagawa (Bor Dortmund/Man Utd & Japan, 2)
    Daniele De Rossi (Roma & Italy, 2)
    Marouane Fellaini (Everton & Belgium, 2)
    Juan Mata (Chelsea & Spain, 2)
    Marco Reus (Bor M’gladbach/Bor Dortmund
    & Germany, 2)
    Franck Ribery (Bayern Munich & France, 2)
    Arturo Vidal (Juventus & Chile, 2)
    Mohamed Aboutrika (Al Ahly & Egypt, 1)
    Cesc Fabregas (Barcelona & Spain, 1)
    Mario Gotze (Bor Dortmund & Germany, 1)
    Isco (Malaga & Spain, 1)
    Oscar (Chelsea & Brazil, 1)
    Omar Perez (Santa Fe, 1)
    Ramires (Chelsea & Brazil, 1)
    Willian (Shakhtar Donetsk & Brazil, 1)

    Forwards
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    (Real Madrid & Portugal, 107)
    Lionel Messi
    (Barcelona & Argentina, 106)
    Radamel Falcao
    (Atletico Madrid & Colombia, 57)

    Others…
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Milan/PSG & Sweden, 20)
    Robin Van Persie (Arsenal/Man United & Holland, 18)
    Neymar (Santos & Brazil, 16)
    Didier Drogba (Chelsea/Shanghai Shenhua
    & Ivory Coast, 11)
    Oribe Peralta (Santos Laguna & Mexico, 2)
    Sergio Aguero (Manchester City & Argentina, 1)
    Ideye Brown (Dynamo Kiev & Nigeria, 1)
    Edinson Cavani (Napoli & Uruguay, 1)
    Angel Di Maria (Real Madrid & Argentina, 1)
    Robert Lewandowski (Bor Dortmund & Poland, 1)
    Alvaro Recoba (Nacional, 1)
    Juan Roman Riquelme (Boca Juniors, 1)
    Wayne Rooney (Man United & England, 1)


    Nice to see Rooney only getting one vote :) Sad to see Casillas on top. Cole and Hummels sadly overrated. Sorry, I don't get the first two spoiler tags away.
     
  14. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Graham Spiers from the Scotland Herald seems to be overchallenged by the voting proccess.
    Voted for Messi as his player of the year, but didn't include him in his World XI. :D
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Maybe it is the Barca system ;) Greatest at Barcelona but not good enough for the first XI with other all-stars ;)



    They say here that (in-shape) Ronaldo (which he isn't right now) would probably fit in any team and tactical scheme.



    ;)
     
  16. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    No you're right, Messi clearly isn't good enough to be included instead of Rooney or Van Persie in a team that plays 4-3-3 with both Xavi and Iniesta.
     
  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Yeah, you're right this time. Both generally overrated players.

    He also thought probably: we should put as much Spaniards as possible in the line-up... and managed to find a place for Glen Johnson as well. Rule Britannia.

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    why Johnson? Izaguirre? Xabi Alonso?


    Graham Spiers, Sunday Herald, Scotland
    Messi, Del Bosque, Barcelona
    Casillas – G Johnson, Pique, Kompany, Izaguirre – Iniesta, Xavi, Xabi Alonso – Rooney, Ronaldo, Van Persie
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Some other funny line-ups (in particular first two):

    Dmytro Dzhulai, Setanta, Ukraine
    Casillas, Sampaoli, Zambia
    Casillas – Alba, Sergio Ramos, Sunzu, Bruno Vieira – Fellaini, David Silva, Omar Perez – Falcao, Alvaro Recoba, Peralta

    Paddy Agnew, World Soccer, Italy
    Pirlo Conte Manchester City
    Buffon – Arbeloa, Kompany, Thiago Silva, Alba – Yaya Toure, Pirlo, Iniesta – Falcao, Aguero, Ronaldo

    Marco Ansaldo, La Stampa, Italy
    Iniesta, Conte, Borussia Dortmund
    Buffon – Lamm, David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Marcelo – Willian, Pirlo, Iniesta – Falcao, Drogba, Ronaldo

    Nick Bidwell, World Soccer, Germany
    Iniesta, Klopp, Spain
    Casillas – Ivanovic, Sergio Ramos, Thiago Silva, Alba – Khedira, Pirlo, Xavi – Falcao, Messi Iniesta

    Mark Gleeson, World Soccer, South Africa
    Messi, Mourinho, Chelsea
    Mweene – Marcelo, Lahm, Thiago Silva, Kompany – Yaya Toure, Iniesta, Xavi – Drogba, Messi, Neymar

    Jens Kirschneck, 11 Freunde, Germany
    Iniesta, Prandelli, Spain
    Cech – Maicon, Sergio Ramos, Vidic, Alba – Kagawa, Pirlo, Iniesta – Neymar, Messi, Van Persie

    Brian Homewood, World Soccer, Switzerland
    Falcao, Renard, Zambia
    Neuer – Pique, Thiago Silva, Mascherano, Chiellini – Pirlo, Iniesta, Yaya Toure – Falcao, Messi, Neymar

    Erich Laaser, Sat 1, Germany
    Messi, Guardiola, Spain
    Neuer – Lahm, Sergio Ramos, Pique, Alba – Schweinsteiger, Pirlo, Ozil – Reus, Messi, Van Persie
    [true homerism, that is what 'they' always do! deliver occasionally most journalists as well]

    Manos Staramopoulos, journalist, Greece
    Casillas, Del Bosque, Spain
    Casillas – Lahm, Pique, Hummels, Alba – Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta – Messi, Falcao, Drogba

    Oleg Zadernovsky, World Soccer, Ukraine
    Iniesta, Simeone, Spain
    Neuer – Lahm, Ivanovic, Bonucci, Dani Alves – Isco, Xavi, Hazard – Messi, Cavani, Ideye Brown
     
  19. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    This guy must be laughing his ass off.
     
  20. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Which GK was better than Casillas in 2012?

    The only reason they can say that is because Ronaldo has played for 3 clubs, while Messi has played for only one. I think and hope we will never find out if Messi can play for another club.

    Moreover, I don't think Ronaldo can play for any team. For example, he wont be able to play in Barca's system.
     
  21. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    He must have filled up Messi name before dinner, and completed his world XI after dinner including 4botttles of red and 5 whisky at the end LOL
     
  22. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    It's unfortunate that we'll (most likely) never see him play in another country, IMO. I, and I'm sure many others, would like to see what he can do outside of his comfort zone.
     
  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Ronaldo did not only play for three clubs well, he also played on various positions and multiple tactical schemes well. For example with two or three forwards, with or without wingers. So therefore we are able to say that (if you want).

    Messi his versatility was on the other hand questioned at times, for example while playing for Argentina. His effectiveness became in the perceptions of some limited if he played (slightly) different as in Barcelona.

    They also indicate btw that Messi is (obviously) more of a team player while Ronaldo is an individualist (relatively speaking). But paradoxically Ronaldo would fit in any team.

    David Villa can play for Barcelona too. He never was that great in position games either.

    Furthermore, Spain plays the same style and patterns as Barcelona and the midfielders made of Fernando Torres the 'golden boot' winner at euro2012. If you see him playing for Chelsea, such as today, you think 'how could that happen'.
    If they (Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta) can turn 'crippled' Torres in the predator he once was I struggle to see why this would be impossible with Ronaldo. Torres was never, even in his best shape, a great team player either.

    But I don't want to ignite a flame war or whatsoever.
     
  24. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    What various positions has Ronaldo played in and what multiple tactical schemes? You're talking fantasy again....

    Ronaldo has played as a winger 95% of the time, either on the left or the right. And since he became one of the best players, he has played pretty much with the same role. On a few occasions he has been used as ST with mixed results.

    Messi on the other hand has played as right wing-forward, AM and False9. When and by whom was his versatility questioned? By people who don't know better?



    Villa is a different player than Ronaldo. And he proved he can play in positional games with the Spanish NT.


    As I expected, you don't understand why I said Ronaldo can't play for Barca. Players like Torres and Villa can put aside their individual game and ego in order to fit into a possession based strategy and benefit from it. Ronaldo can't do that. In addition, Ronaldo has problems when playing against park the bus defenses and very tight spaces. It's not about playing with Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. It's about the overall tactical philosophy and strategy.

    Lastly, "can play for any team" is very lose term to use for any player regardless. What does it mean anyway?
     

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