Re: Re: Re: Foudy 2000: don't want MLS "riding on (WUSA/USWNT's) coattails" I'm calling bulllshit on you here. I offered the reward if someone can proof that Julie Foudy made comments to that effect. I was quite clear that I would accept a web link to a legitimate media source, a photocopy of a news article, a clip of videotape, whatever. You may not agree with me, but an uncomfirmed quote is not primary evidence. Sachin
Some strong criticism of Foudy's WWC play and leadership from Eric Wynalda: http://www.mlsnet.com/content/03/90min1010wynalda.html "One thing about the Women's World Cup: Julie Foudy was one of the reasons the U.S. lost the game against Germany and a good captain would step down and let someone like Aly Wagner play. Wagner is a better player and the game changed with her in the lineup. But there was no leadership on this U.S. National Team. Foudy has been very open with her opinions of everybody else and it is time she hears what others have to say about her. If she wants to have a final appearance at a World Cup she should play the final 15 minutes when the team is ahead instead of struggling at the end of the game."
Looks like when it rains, it poors. She might be better off tossing her hat into politics. Wynalda really let her have it. I am sure it is well known around the MLS that Foudy is no friend to the MLS.
Wynalda: "I can tell you what was wrong with the team – it is run by four individuals who have nothing to do with the coaching staff. Good coaches have to make the tough decisions. You must question how some players got the start in this World Cup. " 3 of the 4 individuals that are part of the "clique" would be Foudy, Brandi, and Mia. Who is the 4th? Fawcett or Lilly? I have heard both. Overbeck used to part of the "clique" when she was on the USWNT.
Sort of on topic Didn't MLS and WUSA reach an agreement at some point that each was going to own a team in the other's league? I wonder how close that ever came to happening. Off-topic As quoted here, there is at least evidence for a relationship between homophobia and sexual insecurity.
Am I the only person here who's amused at the irony of Ollie actually attempting to collect on a bet?
That's not quite the same as "latent homosexuality" and the distinction isn't a _general_ level of insecurity, but rather insecurity in their specific sexual relationships. Unhappy personal relationships could cause increases in homophobia simply by an increased in overall unhappiness and anger associated with bad relationships. The definitions of various terms used might be troubling as well. I don't think this study shows what was asserted. More to the point, the knee-jerk reaction to men who criticize Foudy and her beliefs (that they are simply misogynists whose genitals are threatened by a powerful woman) isn't always particularly fair. There are all sorts of legitimate philsophical reasons to disagree with Foudy and certain segments of the feminist movement in general, without being a misogynist.
fair enough, so don't take it personal as they are not referring to you... but would it also be fair to say that the BS posters who have started thread after schadenfreud thread and used 30-40 posts to tapdance on the WUSA grave, laugh at the women crying after their loss and root for germany to beat the US are likely just showing signs of littlemanitis?
No. I mean really. There's plenty of Male Pornstars with extreme endowments who go on to produce misogynist themed video series (eg, Fithy Whore, Dumb Slut, Choke on This etc.). Now these pornstars may be ignorant and vile neanderthals, but there's convincing video counter-evidence to the theory that it's because they have small wee wees. I think other factors that occurred in development are far more likely to result in various levels of misogyny than "small penis syndrome." As far as the schadenfreud, it's certainly uncalled for, but I've said so on previous occassions before.
Bartender, I'll have a nice, tall glass of YOU GOTTA BE *#*#*#*#ING KIDDING ME Does NO ONE see the irony of Eric Wynalda - ERIC *#*#*#*#ING WYNALDA - lecturing people on how the coach, and not the players, should run a team?
Personally, my pleasure in seeing Foudy humiliated on and off the field stems from a nearly universal emotion - the common man's desire to see the arrogant humbled. Getting your comeuppance, hubris punished, or however you want to describe it, everyone likes to see the mighty fall, especially when they are as loudmouthed and obnoxious as Julie Foudy. The legacy of Julie Foudy's "leadership" will likely be the loss of professional womens soccer in this country for a generation or more. For this, she richly deserves to be ridiculed and despised.
Ummmm, dude, that IS your insecurity showing through. Regardless of what Foudy did or didn't say (and, right now, there's not a quote out there actually attributible to her that slags MLS), why in the hell would you care if she wanted a women's league to make it on its own merit? Let's get this straight: a women's league didn't kiss your MLS-loving ass, so you're dancing on its grave? Class. Pure class.
Re: Bartender, I'll have a nice, tall glass of YOU GOTTA BE *#*#*#*#ING KIDDING ME Ex-actly. Well, at least he speaks from experience when he talks about how arrogant players can tank a World Cup run.
Right. Lilly didn't deserve to play in the World Cup and she didn't do anything in the World Cup either. Also I wouldn't get too high on the writer of the Newsday piece. She said that Aly Wagner played for San Jose. Apparently, Newsday doesn't have good editors then.
Re: Re: Foudy 2000: don't want MLS "riding on (WUSA/USWNT's) coattails" No, and for once, it's not like rain on your wedding day. Sachin
Re: Re: Foudy 2000: don't want MLS "riding on (WUSA/USWNT's) coattails" I'll have to dig up the citation, but there's also a wonderfully telling plethysmograph study out there showing that men who endorsed the strongest anti-gay sentiments on a survey measure also got the most, erm, chubby, when they looked at homoerotic photos. And yeah, there are those of us whose memory easily goes back far enough to remember OT's antics over the years, including the great welching debacle.
Re: Bartender, I'll have a nice, tall glass of YOU GOTTA BE *#*#*#*#ING KIDDING ME I see irony in every holier than thou statement Eric makes. He's pontificated about people diving, hacking, not playing defense and being team players. Classic.
Re: Re: Bartender, I'll have a nice, tall glass of YOU GOTTA BE *#*#*#*#ING KIDDING ME Usually takes one to know one. Maybe that is why he has picked up on it. Wynalda had a few flaws in his character and in his game on the field, does that mean he should be silent on the subject? Do you think he should be silent on everyone who has a bad attitude on the U.S. soccer team and not a team player? He is a soccer analyst now not a player who should calls it like he sees it. I think it is a breath of fresh air in the US soccer world.