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Discussion in 'Automotive' started by benztown, Jan 31, 2011.
Neither of them is going to give an inch at the moment.
but, why? that is the question I'm trying to answer. I say is mutual lack of respect.
Behold the power of grudge...And given the size of the dossier, it won't go away quickly...Also let's not forget that Lewis took championship in 2008 in the final 500 meters...
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What is funny is that Massa and Hammy do always share at one point the same bit of tarmac in every race, something that happens as a result of multiple factors ; after all, they could be separated by the race events but on the contrary, destiny seems to be binding them.
Massa's penalty was indeed a bit harsh but for once he was the one more at fault on this crash. Let's say 60-40 or 70-30. He knew where Hamilton was and chopped the line even if Hamilton's manoeuvre was more intimidation than anything since he was way behind Felipe as he clipped the back of the Ferrari's sidepod. He wasn't in a position to overtake at all like the "pundits" on French TV claimed.
A better idea of what to expect
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I don't know if this is the right thread for this. If it's not I'm sorry.
All of you who enjoyed the Indian grand prix should be ashamed of yourselves. That land belongs to the Indian farmer and has been snatched from him unfairly by the rich who have the government in their pocket.
Giving the farmers meager compensation at under the market rate and evicting them from land which they have tilled for centuries is not the essence of any sport. F1 authorities must keep that in mind, but maybe they too have blood on their hands.
F1 is a play thing of only the rich Indians. That is hardly 5-7 percent of the population. They say that this will create jobs? It will create jobs only in the automotive sector for F1. That is never going to trickle down to benefit the rest. We have a huge automobile industry employing millions. No one was ever evicted for those plants. It is said that the cost of maintaining a car during the race can pay the salaries of 28,000 teachers for a month. The state that hosted F1 is the most populated state of India. 200 million people. It is also one of the most backwards on all social parameters. Education, power consumption per capital, health indices, law and order situation.
The Indians on BigSoccer from what I have seen are rich. They will not agree with me. But what I say is the truth.
Those who got F1 to India, organized parties with Gaga, Arjun Rampal and Shah Rukh Khan and other international celebrities congratulating themselves on their success should be the most ashamed.
They could have used the money to generate jobs and business in the very areas of F1. The irony is that the circuit is called Buddh. Lord Buddha's basic tenets is to vanquish desire, greed and extravagance.
Till the entire country is ready, and not just the top segment, I wish the government taxes this event highly. But that will not happen. Government must have made a lot of money in under the table dealings with the organizers. There are already talks of opening more circuits, one near Mumbai and the other in southern India. There is no shortage of rich show off sponsors.
What is worse is that the middle class are applauding the F1, when it's a sport whose ticket would be too expensive for them to bear. Could take unto 4-5 percent of their monthly salary.
You decide what is wrong or right.
Can I get an authentic source regarding this? As far as I know, the northern part of India is the richest while the southern part is in poverty
What do you want an authentic source for?
Southern India is much richer and better educated than Northern India. However, both parts have to their share of rich people.
Getting F1 to India was the brainchild of Vijay Mallya. He is a south Indian and the F1 track is near Delhi ( north India).
I think there are two aspects of this. One is the general cost of the spectacle. You say that maintaining a car during the race costs as much as 28000 teachers a month. I don't know it that is true, but in any case, it's irrelevant.
The people around the world like to watch F1 on their TV, not teachers. That's why the advertisement and/or subscription money goes into F1, not teachers. You may not like it, and it may not be fair, but it's the way the world works.
So while this argument scores you many emotional points, it's really not a good argument.
On the other hand we have the issue of farmers getting evicted. I have no idea about the Indian justice system, but this sounds more problematic. I know that here in Germany there were similar cases when Munich applied for the Olympic games earlier this year. The farmers protested against it, but the courts ultimately decided that they would be evicted. In the end, Munich didn't get the games, so it didn't matter, but it seems to be a normal course of action. If India believes that the F1 is benefitting the country, I guess they can evict farmers. At the same time, they (whoever owns the track now) have to pay market prices of course.
In other news, the F1 commission has approved a couple of name changes.
From 2012 on, Team Lotus will be known as Caterham, Renault will be called Lotus and Virgin Racing will be rebranded as Marussia.
With most respect to you, I don't want to argue or make an argument. It is an emotional appeal, so those who don't know or enjoy this spectacle are aware of their hidden guilt.
I may not have many valid points. I am not an economist. However, I have a conscience. And that tells me flaunting wealth is bad but acceptable as long as you don't kick away the other persons livelihood.
What do you mean by if India believes? As if there was a general poll or consensus among the local residents about F1 in their area. F1 benefits a small section of the society. Does it benefit the people evicted? Does it benefit the average Indian?
F1 track ownership is a completely private enterprise. Government doesn't have any share.
Mr. and Mrs. Benztown will come from Germany to Delhi, stay in a 5 star hotel, drink in a classy pub, dance in a disc and watch the race for 3 days with other F1 fans, Indians and outsiders, enjoy the hospitality showered on them and return back. Where does the evicted farmer benefit?
At least don't call it Buddh. Call it Hitler circuit or name it after some tyrant.
This thread I realize is not the right place for this discussion. Carry on enjoying the F1.
F1 being irresponsible and having questionable ethical practices when dealing with organizers? Money under the table?
I'm sorry if I sounded aggressive, I just wanted to point out that the money that was used building the circuit was never going to be put into the education of Indian kids. So you can't weigh these things against one another.
Well, as I said, I don't know much about the Indian justice system and its laws, but usually it needs to be established that a project like this is for the good of the country before farmers can be evicted.
In this case, there are two aspects I guess, one is about the jobs that are created and that benefit the economy of the local community directly, the other is the fact that these events are used as advertisement for a country, which helps indirectly.
Whether or not these benefits outweigh the costs are a different matter and I can't comment on that. I also agree that if you evict farmers, you at the very least have to pay market prices for their land, everything else would be theft. I'm certainly sure that there are better, more efficient ways to create jobs than building a race track, but again, this was never an option.
It still can be in the interest of the country. Another example from Germany: Entire villages were razed and their inhabitants evicted in order to make way for coal production, also a private enterprise, but one that was seen to be beneficial for the country as a whole.
I wish I could afford that. In any case, the individual farmer obviously doesn't benefit, at least not directly. Assuming he has gotten a fair compensation, he's at least no worse off though.
The local people who will profit are the ones who get jobs at and around the track. And the money they earn will flow back to the community, ideally helping the farmer to sell more.
That's a bit harsh, don't you think?
I'm sorry you feel that way.
every people get the government they deserve. maybe you should be ashamed of yourself and your fellow citizens for letting them get away with it.
The big expected news : Kimi is back in F1 for 2012...
The big surprise is it's not with Williams, it's with LRGP !
Ferrari and Red Bull pull out of the Formula One Teams Association.
Sauber and Torro Rosso considering that move, too.
Sauber left this morning...
FOTA is a floater then.
Sutil allegedly has a punch up in China.............
............and Bruno Senna looks set to profit.
Rubens is a great guy, and I'd have loved him to stay, but you can only have 2 drivers. Perhaps Rubens could learn other aspects of the F1 business and use his experience as a manager, technical boffin or whatever.