Follow up on a study about Israeli influence on US foreign policy

I realize these are your reasons. They're still wrong.

Once again, your insistence that Bush is about nothing but money is inconsistent with facts. The ideological underpinnings of the current foreign policy initiative are far from universally money related.
Human beings are not one dimensional characters. They have more than one motivation. To suggest that Bush

So are you suggesting that the Christians have no say in this government? If so, are you suggesting the evangelicals are part of the oil companies and lobbyists?

That's neither pilfering nor pillaging. What you're saying is that they've used the Iraq war to make money. I've never said this wasn't a consideration. But the Carlyle Group (for whom I've done some indirect work) and these other institutions are owned mostly by non-neocons. "Neocons" are people like Wolfowitz and other right wing intellectualls. They're not the heavy economic hitters you seem to think they are.

There are no indications we're keeping long term bases there.

So now its not about the money then? Now its about ideology? A ha. And if you teach them not to do things to the US, its not Israel that's primary, is it?

The Democrats couldn't steam roll a bowl of pudding. They're incompetent and incoherent. And most of Bush's political capital came from Iraq. Afghanistan had too few troops and too little real war. Iraq however, had the full pageantry, the full propaganda, the full WAR. Remember, he was re-elected despite it and for two years, until the cost of the Iraq war became too high, he could do no wrong.

There are no Illuminati, Elders of Zion, or all powerful military-industrial complexes. There are significant differences between Republicans and Democrats.

 

Nice way to start a post jack ass.

Nowhere did I imply that there was one reason. In fact I listed my top 3.

No. Sure.

Here we go again with the "I'm right" BS. Yes they made a crapload. We've spent $250 billion and there is no sign of it slowing down. At least 20% has been pilfered. Thats not counting the money that was there before we got there. If you're not inclined to research this, thats not my problem.

Granted. But even W and Rummy just said they had no exit date. The only way we'll find out is by talking a look around 10 years from now. But my bet is that we are there to stay.

Israel is one of the reasons. There is a strong Israeli lobby within the US govt, Wolfowitz for example. No its not all about money, but when you boil down all the reasons for basically any action, 99% of the time it's about money/power.

Yeah, the Dems suck. But they Reeps are running scared right now with good reason. I call BS on the political capital coming from Iraq, it came from 9/11. He was reelected because of the brilliance of Karl Rove and gay marriage being on the ballot. Bush's core is still very intact, but he has lost the swing voters. When Ohio goes blue in November you can cry in your pudding.

I never said there was and I never said there wasn't. One thing for sure, I'm not taking your word for it. Or is it your opinion?

 

Can we please stop derailing and focus on the topic; it's so much more enlightening and I am still hoping that people to continue on the main issues:

1) The neocons initiated a war doctrine with clear view of protecting Israel's interest, although, if the plan had worked out, perhaps it would have secured American material interest as well, but doubtful about protecting the American Integrity, even though it was already stained to some extent.
2) In support of the foreign nation, make clear errors in protecting Americans and their collective interest-- again for the interest of the foreign nation!!!

 

Which is total bullsh!t considering there are at least 3 or 4 people who hate Israel, but aren't anti-Semitic.

 

"anybody who criticizes Israel" is not = "people who hate Israel"

"anybody who criticizes USA" is not = "people who hate USA"

"anybody who criticizes Ben" is not = "people who hate Ben"

 

Century's Best = "people who hate Israel"

 

I didn't read all the other posts but I agree with this one...

 

thanks

Now to answer:

I heard that 2 of the have Burger Kings and one of them has a car dealer. I heard that on NPR.

The Quaker Lobby
Mother Jones
The Chicago Tribune (archived)

 

Click on this fun game for all the Zionists out there.

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(And yes, I know this is wrong and it will require me to go to confession)

 

Really. please point out where they have done this. And i want you to find every criticism of Israel on this board and then show me where they labeled the person an anti-semite. Go ahead..You'll see the group picture of those labeled anti-semites by them is quite small, but you are right there in the middle.

 

http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/research/working_papers/facultyresponses.htm

An interesting response to this Mearsheimer/Walt "study".

 

In any event, has anyone yet done a study on WHAT A FREAKIN' NUTJOB THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT IS?

 

Yes, yes, YES already.
We are Jews.
We control everything.
We have the world's superpowers dance to our tunes.
We have women with the shrillest voices.
You will all line up to suck our c0cks.
Actually, you already are.
Because we are Jews.
And we won't rest until we conquer all.

Jealous, I bet.

But, hey, consider this. This god you are worshipping. He is a Jew too.

 

You guys gave Jessica Alba Dandruff.

 

At least you finally admitted it.