FIFA World Cup 2018: Argentina vs. Croatia - June 21 [R]

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  1. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It maybe means when we fail to win against Croatia, and must beat Nigeria and its still a tie at 85 minutes mark, he will bring Dybala's in...:ninja:

    I know that's what Diego did against Germany when he threw in Aguero at 85 minutes to save the day, when they're down 0-4 already....:whistling:

    Our manager apart from Sabella has always been stubborn. Remember that Dybala was never part of Sampa actual plan. But if he's not going to bring Icardi, at least he would need to bring Dybala or the fans would be totally outrage . Now if he starts Dybala and he make the difference to win the game, Sampa would feels like being smack in the face.

    For that reason, I'm afraid he's having too much pride on his actual plan, which is what we saw against Iceland. I hope he proof us wrong and make a bold change against Croatia.
     
  2. wangballer

    wangballer Member

    Oct 11, 2016
    i hope that is not the case then........that would be really stupid, but egos make people do stupid things. Really thought Meza would be like Pavon except on the right. Turns out he is no different than Acosta and the guy who was so close to knocking Biglia out from the WC. If Samp insists on starting Meza hopefully he decides to be more bold cuz an out of position Dybala brings more than what he brought today
     
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  3. Rattlehead

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    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #28 Rattlehead, Jun 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2018
    Yes, but I dont think Meza was ever the main problem in that first game.. it was the absent of creative midfielder and unorganized defending. Lanzini could have take out preasure from Messi but with him getting injured, Messi now has to drop to midfield again and he'd need to run through forest of defender before he can shoot.

    What we saw throughout the game was the other players keep passing the ball back to Messi and Masche. Can you believe that we're actually using Masche to play creative midfielder role?? its unbelievable. We keep doing sideway passings all day.

    I wonder if we can actually play Dybala in midfield in front of Masche and LoCelso/Meza. I know it would be attacking overloads, but Dybala is a skilled passer and we will have someone outside Messi who can make penetrating pass. We're missing player who can do that. Yesterday, Sampa brought in Higuain instead.
     
  4. kuroky

    kuroky New Member

    Feb 25, 2011
    Jordan
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    2022 WC :(
     
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  5. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That was prior to the first game, lets wait and see what he does in the next following days.
    Most of the world knows Biglia is shit and yet he makes our starting 11.
     
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  6. ilovefotball

    ilovefotball Member

    Feb 11, 2006
    europe
    This might have worked against Iceland but I think this should not be done against Crostia, atleast not before the half time. Argentina still has the chance to top the group and therefore should not go full attack mode just yet. This might only complicate things If defence is exposed more than necessary as a goal from Croatia first will put extra pressure on the team.
     
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  7. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    True, they're not exactly in do or die situation for now but Sampa needs to react quick if things doesnt look good with his starting line up.

    Enzo Perez was able to replaced Di Maria on left wing in 2014 WC. He might not offers attacking ability but he helped to the midfield alot defensively, maintaining & recovering the ball.

    I'd start Pavon over Di Maria and if we still stuck by HT, I'd take out Pavon for Perez and put Dybala in midfield in front of Masche and behind Messi who can move further upfront closer to the goal.

    Its easier for opponents to nullify Messi if he has to pick up the ball 45 yards from the goal.. and no matter who's the 9, they will not get enough ball supply, because nobody to play with.

    Messi & Kun will connect well if they play closer to each other. The penalty was won by Aguero after Messi chipped the ball from midfield, now imagine if Messi can be closer to him most of the time...

    Both Pavon and Dybala are young players, their pace / energy will tires opponent defense.
     
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  8. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    #33 soul24rage, Jun 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2018
    According to early reports, this will be our starting XI vs Croatia. I'm still hoping that we can switch Rojo and Caballero as I think they are way too shaky and unreliable. Also I'm hoping that Meza and Pavon are willing to track back often as Messi and Aguero most likely won't do much defensive work.

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  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There's no reason why Biglia, Rojo and Di Maria should play again this WC. Salvio cannot be a defender. And I don't want to crucify Caballero over one or two plays, but Armani's been superb this season.

    It's about time Sampaoli puts away his ego and his stuborness and makes the necessary changes. Sucks to have to reinvent yourself during the group stage, but after what we've seen, what's the alternative? This is a MUST WIN game, against a very tough team.

    How about something like this?

    Armani
    Mercado - Otamendi - Fazio - Tagliafico
    Mesa (or Dybala) - Mascherano - Lo Celso
    Messi
    Aguero - Pavon
     
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  10. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Pavón:

    "Desde que arranqué a jugar al fútbol siempre jugué por la izquierda. Es donde me siento mas cómodo porque me permite enganchar y pegarle al arco", afirmó durante la conferencia de prensa que brindó en el predio de la AFA en Ezeiza. "Fui el máximo asistidor de la Superliga con Boca. Eso es lo mío. Pero también fue gracias a mis compañeros. Ojalá acá en la selección pueda hacer lo mismo y que eso sirva para que los nueves hagan muchos goles", agregó. Y completó: "Sin embargo no tengo ningún drama en atacar y defender si me lo pide el entrenador. De hecho lo hago en Boca. También puedo hacerlo en el seleccionado", puntualizó.

    https://www.lacapital.com.ar/rusia-...e-posicion-se-siente-mas-comodo-n1613022.html
     
  11. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I think that if we went with that lineup, I would be confident to face any team. Maybe I would switch Mesa for Enzo as I think Masche and Lo Celso are not strong enough to sufficiently defend against the world's best. But since we got bigger problems, I would be happy with the line up you came up with.
     
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  12. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    That attack and midfield look alot more promising, but I still think defence can leak 1-2 goals against Croatia with Rojo presence. I think the defence is the first thing that Sampa needs to fix quickly. He needs to makes it alot more organized cause they looked all over the place in that first game and its scary. CR can score 4 goals against that defence and Spain and Germany can possibly hit 6 or 7.
     
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  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, I can see that as a safer alternative. Maybe they could start with Enzo and if they see that they need more scoring punch to break Croatia then make the substitution to the more attacking lineup. Or conversely, they could start more offensive and if they get ahead then bring Enzo at halftime to bolster the defensive midfield.
     
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  14. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I've been suggesting similar thing. We can start with Pavon instead of Di Maria and if we still fail to break Croatian defence with him, then Dybala should replace Meza and Perez can replace Pavon.
     
  15. Amuseddaysleeper

    Jul 8, 2014
    I can't see Sampo giving Armani a shot, which sucks
     
  16. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Caballero isn't even a veteran in the Argentina squad. The only reason Sampaoli has to start him over Armani is bald favoritism.
     
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Also replace Rojo and I’ll be content, replace Rojo AND Willy, I’ll be happy and won’t have any complaints. I don’t understand the reasoning behind Willy over Armani... If Sampa is willing to make three changes, he’s already admitting his mistakes, just two more, and there we will have a team that nearly everybody will be good with. Plus, it is smart using ADM as a sub, you can bring him on later in matches.
     
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  18. HollywoodHayat

    HollywoodHayat Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Willy is good with his feet and Rojo is faster than Fazio. Thats pretty much it. They both can pass to build from the back but Rojo has more speed.
     
  19. pregra

    pregra Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Dec 1, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Even though our defence are shit in the first place, the insecurity that Willy brings to the table makes then twice as bad. Panic mode as soon as the ball is anywhere near our box.
     
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  20. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    I would be happy if Rojo was moved to the left like he played in 2014. In fact, I want Mercado-otamendi-fazio-rojo. All tall capable defenders. Let's lock this shit.
     
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  21. HollywoodHayat

    HollywoodHayat Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    No way would I replace Tagliafico with anyone. That guy has more football IQ than our entire squad, including Sampaoli.
     
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  22. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member+

    Barcelona
    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Id prefer someone who can keep the ball out of the net rather than a GK who can help with buildup play but brings panic when the ball is in our half. Fazio might be slower but he seems more composed and Rojo almost gave a goal to Iceland doing that horrible pass to Willy.
     
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  23. HollywoodHayat

    HollywoodHayat Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    Sampaoli is devoted to his system and it wont work without build up from the back. Unfortunate but thats just the way it is. This system didn’t work during qualifiers and he had 7 months to find something else but he sticked to what he likes.
     
  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Cabellero reminds me of Romero in 2010, never catch, always punching the ball away. That's a clear sign of hesitation and lack of confidence.
     
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