FIFA Will Trial Arsene Wenger's New Offside Rules: Should MLS sign up?

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FIFA Will Trial Arsene Wenger's New Offside Rules: Should MLS sign up?

  1. YES. I love to see MLS trial this offside rule that favor attacking soccer

    15 vote(s)
    68.2%
  2. NO.

    7 vote(s)
    31.8%
  1. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leagues / Tournaments that can afford this "limb-tracking technology for semi-automated offside decisions" will use it.


    3 types

    1. Leagues that use both VAR and this "semi-automated offside decisions system"

    2. Leagues that use VAR but not the semi-automated offside decisions system.

    3. Leagues that don't use VAR or semi-automated offside at all.


    How many leagues use goal-line technology nowaday?
    Only a few.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal-line_technology

    In July 2012, the International Football Association Board (IFAB) officially approved the use of goal line technology, amending the Laws of the Game to permit (but not require) its use.

    Due to its expense, goal-line technology is only used at the highest levels of the game. Goal-line technology is currently used in the top European domestic leagues, and at major international competitions such as, since 2014, the Men's and Women's FIFA World Cups.

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    In April 2013, MLS commissioner Don Garber confirmed that MLS would not adopt goal-line technology for the 2014 season, citing cost as the overriding factor. GoalControl installation would cost about $260,000 per stadium, and a further $3,900 for each game.
     
  2. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goal Line Technology





    World Cup 2014 France goal with goal-line technology
     
  3. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good finds. Again, if tech is to be involved in such an old sport, time honored sport, a sport with no time outs ever, that getting the goal is in/goal is not in issue solved first via tech is main point of order. Nailing attackers for offsides to the centimeter via modern tech is subordinate. Imho the end game for those in charge of the beautiful game introducing more and more technology, have them tidy up what occurs inside the 18, goals and handballs and theatrics first. Get that ref support spot on, then move on to offside tech.

    As a U.S.A. soccer junkie, have FIFA get tech to get these calls correct inside the box. FIFA and the IFBA can focus on lowering the cost of goal line tech all in the name of VAR.
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  4. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A bit RADICAL suggestion from Van Basten (FIFA will never adopt)

    https://www.football-italia.net/168259/van-basten-scrap-offside-rule

    Milan legend Marco van Basten insists ‘football would be better without’ any offside rule at all, which would also resolve the VAR controversy.

    While there have been suggestions from Arsene Wenger to adjust the offside rule, or even create some sort of buffer to give VAR more leeway when disallowing goals for the tiniest of margins, Van Basten goes a more explosive route.

    “I am still very curious about the offside rule because I am convinced that it is not a good rule,” the Dutch star told Sky Sports UK.

    “At least I would like to trial it to show that football is also possible without the offside rule. I am convinced that football would be better without it.

    “Football is a fantastic game but I still think that we have to do much more to make it better, more spectacular, more interesting, more exciting. We have to work on that.”




    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...at-football-needs-in-the-age-of-var-6gdp98t38

    Is ‘Wenger’s law’ on offside what football needs in the age of VAR?

     
  5. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.
     
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  6. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are forms of the sport, like futsal and indoor soccer that do not use offsides. So we know what the sport looks and plays like without offsides Marco.
    Look, if a core concept of a time honored, old sport from the 1800's is to be removed then there better be a better reason than exciting the spectators in the stands. Player health and safety, ok, get rid of offsides all together if men and women are suffering from the way the sport is played.
    This talk of no offsides would be like getting rid of the strike zone in baseball. Not gonna happen.

    Ha! Obviously not right Cristiano! There was no goal line technology available in a European World Cup Qualifier this past weekend.
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  7. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/news/wenger-we-want-to-make-the-game-more-spectacular

    Wenger joined FIFA as Chief of Global Football Development in 2019, and he is also a member of the Football and Technical Advisory Panels involved in The IFAB’s potential changes to the Laws of the Game.

    As always, 'Le Professeur brought some fascinating insights. “We want to help make the game more spectacular, quicker and more enjoyable to watch, and to play as well,” he said. “It is the most popular sport in the world at the moment … but to stand still would be bad.”
     
  8. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.strawpoll.me/45194826

    More goals per match: 128 votes (86%)
    Less goals per match: 21 votes (14%)

    Current Offside Rule: The law states that a player is in an offside position if any of their body parts, except the hands and arms, are in the opponents' half of the pitch, and closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent (the last opponent is usually, but not necessarily, the goalkeeper)

    New offside Rule (Wenger offside rule) that FIFA is trialing: You're onside if any part of your body you can play the ball with is inline with the defender.

    An Example:

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    This is currently offside but it would be onside with the new offside rule. The attacker scored the goal by the way. Got called offside.


    This rule change is not about VAR.

    It's about FIFA wanting to have more attacking football.

    FIFA president:

    "We have been seeing that maybe we can think about a new law which allows a bit more attack in football.

    "And Arsene Wenger presented to us today as well what this could look like and obviously, in summary, it is if the attacking player is ahead of the last defender, or second-last player, but still with one part of the body that can score inline with the defender.

    "So it is giving the attacking player a bit more room and so favouring attacking football. Obviously such a change would need to be tested. We have to see what kind of impact this will have on the game - if positive, if negative.
     
  9. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #59 vevo5, May 6, 2021
    Last edited: May 6, 2021
    Offside rules intend to prevent players from “goal-hanging” – staying near the opponent's goal and waiting for the ball to be passed to then directly score a goal. This was considered to be unsportsmanlike and make the game boring. In contrast, the offside rules force players not to get ahead of the ball, and thus favour dribbling the ball and short passes over few long passes.

    This new offside rule prevent goal-hanging just as well as the old offside rules.


    Some media coverage regarding this new offside rule that FIFA is trialing in the lower league of Chinese football.




    This report gives more details about the evolution of offside and this new offside rule



    In 1990, IFAB declared that an attacker level with the second-last defender is onside, whereas previously such a player had been considered offside. This change, proposed by the Scottish FA, was made in order to "encourage the attacking team" by "giving the attacking player an advantage over the defender.

    This result in an increase in goals per match for English First Division

    1989-1990: 2.59 goals per match
    1990-1991: 2.76 goals per match
     
  10. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm on the fence about this change. I used to be very much against it, but I'm not so sure now.

    My initial opposition to the change was because it would likely cause defenders to play a deeper line because they would be more concerned about being beaten on an over-the-top ball or a long through ball. On a different BigSoccer forum, someone provided a counterpoint that defenders playing deeper would open space in the middle of the field for a more traditional Zidane-style 10/trequardista/enganche player. Having that additional space may bring back some of the skills and technical ability that are not as present today with the emphasis on high defensive lines and pressing.
     
  11. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You already have a thread for this. Stop creating new threads for existing topics.
     
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