Fifa to look at new format for Club World Cup

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. PaulGascoigne

    PaulGascoigne Member+

    Feb 5, 2001
    Aotearoa/NZ
    If that happened, I'd have no problem with that. As long as clubs from the rest of the world had a chance to compete. You may never have anyone but Euro and L.A. teams win the World Cup, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give teams from other continents a chance (and why should Venezuelans and Finns be given shots to play in this thing when their teams are no more likely to win a tournament than some of the better teams outside these 2 continents (that goes for both club and natl. level)?

    Sorry, regardless of your personal preferences, world championships need to involve the whole world. Period. You need to prove it on the field each and every time. Against all comers.
     
  2. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    exactly. Leave the intercontinental cup alone and just make a new separate cup that would include new teams.

    the intercontinental cup has too much history and tradition to be ruined.
     
  3. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    What problem do you have with "absorbing" it and making it an official Fifa tournament? It would recognize all the past winners as well as give the other confederations a chance to participate. Seems like the best option to me...

    Oh well, we should know more by tomorrow.
     
  4. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, that sounds like an improvement. I wonder though whether that requires more games between confederations to make meaningful comparisons. The UEFA seeds are drawn from how far different teams advance in the CL, right? In that case we've got dozens of games involving teams from the big countries, and even 5 or so from the odd Belgian team or whatever that makes the first round, etc. In the case of this tournament, teams will play 1, 2 or at most 3 matches. That's not a lot of results to go on. In principle I like it, though

    G.
     
  5. Ronaldo+10

    Ronaldo+10 New Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    Los Angeles
    If anything is gonna happen, then conmebol and uefa should always have a bye. This is their tournament and anything other then that would simply have a lack of intrest. They would either withdraw completly or start sending B teams. Remember that uefa is already not very keen on the Idea.
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Format established for FIFA Club World Championship 2005: http://www.fifa.com/en/display/mrel,74289.html
    Well done Fifa, well done...

    (This decision now needs to be ratified by the Executive Committee at its next meeting, in London on 29 February 2004.)
     
  7. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    Hey, Crowdie, beer's on me when Auckland's The Football Kingz meet the Edmonton Aviators at the Quarterfinals in Sapporo. You bring the suishi breakfast picnic when we go to watch them role the protable natural grass tray into the dome!
     
  8. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Ive always been an avid supporter of ANY World Club Championship. Its amazing that so many are uninterested in BEING WORLD CHAMPIONS...I just dont get it.

    I really wish though that FIFA would get away from Japan already. Even the US would be a great home for this Championship even if only every few years. I can see December games in Southern California and Florida.

    I love it!
     
  9. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    EXACTLY. What if a Japanese team or MLS team one day decide to invest in big stars? What if a new "REAL MADRID" is built somewhere besides Europe or South America? How could you leave that club out? So I think using each continental champ is PERFECT. There is ZERO reason to bitch about this.
     
  10. El_Maestro

    El_Maestro Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Planet Earth
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    The reason to "bitch about this" is that FIFA is taking over a tournament that doesn't belong to them (the Intercontinental Cup) and was never sanctioned by them. This is an idea that came to be between Conmebol and UEFA.

    FIFA has never had anything to do with it, I asume they thought that with the World Club Championship the ICC would simply implode, guess what happened.

    Now, because they have political control over UEFA and Conmebol but not any revenue from the ICC, they just want to make "new rules" as Bill Maher would say.

    Oh, and for the people that say that is unfair that clubs from other conferderations are not represented in the ICC, well there's a reason it is called INTERCONTINENTAL and not WORLD. Intercontinental, or between 2 or more continents, in this case 2, the 2 continents that created the cup. Thank you, good bye.
     
  11. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WOW, good 'ol Sepp must have been browsing these boards for the last 2 years because this plan is the exact plan I've been pushing for. Naturally I feel it is the best possible solution to having a World Club Championship. The only problem I see is that FIFA will be organizing it and I worry about that. FIFA does not belong in the club game.

    I'm also sure the people in Japan, namely Toyota, won't be thrilled with this plan with the chance that the InterContinental Cup will be moved every now and then from Japan. Toyota is after all the organizers of the current ICC so some agreement will need to be achieved for this to happen.
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I love it when I'm right. :D
    It looks like we'll have 7 matches per tournament, times five makes 35 games for a 5-year coefficient. I'm sure details can be worked out once we get that far. For info on Uefa's coefficient-system, check out this site: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/index.html
    I imagine part of the reason Fifa is holding the tournament in Japan is in order to compensate Toyota for their investment.
    Cry me a river...

    This is the best solution for everyone, period.
     
  13. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    iirc, Vasco used the first leg (in DC?) as a warm up for their trip to Japan to play Real Madrid and played the second leg in Miami immediately after flying in from The Toyota Cup game in Tokyo. Hardly indicative of a side that was taking the competition seriously.
     
  14. El_Maestro

    El_Maestro Member

    Jun 5, 2002
    Planet Earth
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    For everyone who?

    Not to Southamerican teams. Being Libertadores champion means having a shot against the Champion League champs, now it will have to play against some lowly Asian or African team first? Give me a break.

    The Intercontinental Cup is a "private venture" let's say, that has nothing to do with FIFA. They have no business in threatening the life of a tournament that they didn't create and/or control.

    Unless... they give the biggest chunk of the money to Conmebol and UEFA, regardless of the result. Let's say 70% for them, they can divide the rest between the other teams.

    One option that I've read here that I'd definitively like is to play the ICC in the United States, they have the big NFL type stadia, the money and of course the people would go in mass to an event of this caliber. I'm sick and tired of getting up at 5 am to see that freaking ICC game.
     
  15. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Do you think the World Cup should be competed for just by each continental champion? Sounds like a club version of the Confederations Cup to me, but maybe that's the best compromise that can realistically be achieved.
     
  16. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    If they are so déclassé, then what's the problem? Consider it a warm-up game...
    I got news for you buddy, Fifa is an organization about as private as it gets. The tournament is simply changing owner as part of a business deal, and yes - Toyota does have a say in it.
    Is this what this is all about? Money? Let me assure you that Fifa can easily match whatever Toyota was paying. In fact, Fifa will probably pay a lot more...
    Newsflash: your precious Toyota company is based in Japan and likes to have the game there...


    Any other lethargic arguments you want me to dissect?
    It is.
     
  17. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    From the AFC website:
    http://www.footballasia.com/en/news/index.asp?id=34157&mth=2&yr=2004
    Looks like there will be a 5th place game, meaning we'll be able to rank the confederations after the tournament. Perhaps a measure for future seeding?
     
  18. mr magoo

    mr magoo New Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    South Shields
    Fifa are a bunch of Scocialist Jobsworths.

    These fcuking Continents are so far behind Europe and South America their still Chimps in Darwins Evolution Theory.

    What's the point of playing these teams???? what will it achieve????

    It will achieve nothing but a shitt load of money for Fifa and a bunch of knackerd players from the European and S.America clubs that will inevitably get to the final.

    Load of bollocks
     
  19. Like in the past CWC? With Real Madrid and Man United smashing all not sudamerican competition :rolleyes: ?
     
  20. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you switch "European and South American clubs" with "England" in Magoos's post it looks like the exact reasons why England didn't participate in the World Cup until 1950. :)
     
  21. ElQuary

    ElQuary New Member

    Jan 14, 2004
    North of Rabat but S
    This is the most ABSURD idea ever. It will create a totally meaningless trophy. At the end of the day we have to be clear about something, the European Cup or Uefa Champions League or whatever uefa want to call it nowadays is the PREMIER WORLDWIDE football competition. This is where there is the BEST football with the BEST teams and the BEST fans.

    Seriously no one is interested in watching Pitcain Island Utd vs Alabama Rhinos (with all due respect to fans from these fictional teams) and likewise the top clubs in the world (ie G-14) don’t want to play these teams. The idea was tried and it FAILED. FIFA get over it and stick to what you do best, flying around the world staying in the best hotels and organising “conferences” that achieve nothing.
     
  22. Forza AZ

    Forza AZ New Member

    Jun 26, 2003
    Alkmaar
    I don't think the European and South American teams have much problems with this new idea. It includes only 1 extra game for them and they only have to leave their national league for 2 or 3 days more (so most likely they just miss 1 league weekend, as they already do now for the ICC).

    And I don't think the level of African and North American teams is such low that you will get monsterscores in the semifinals. Asian teams are somewhat less I think and the only real weak team will be the Oceanian one. But they probably don't make it to the semifinal after all, as they aren't able to beat the African, Asian or CONCACAF team.

    The 5th place play-off is a bit useless, but without it the quarterfinal losers will only play 1 game and that's a bit little for flying all the way to Japan (or where else the CWC will be played).

    I think in time this new tournament will just be seen as the follow-up of the ICC and not as the follow-up of the CWC in 2000.

    This plan is a very good comprimise, and is a good chance to finally have a real World Champion in club football.
     
  23. Ronaldo+10

    Ronaldo+10 New Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Even though the Uefa executive comitee approved the idea, The g-14 and most European clubs are against this , and im sure they will try and block it somehow.(Check link) They could retaliate and start sending B teams, south America would follow suit and there you have a completly useless tournament ! Even worse, that would have spoiled a great tournament, the intercontinental cup. You say one extra game is nothing but it is alot when you consider the path Uefa and Conmebol teams take to get there. For example, the CCC has only 8 teams, so how many games does the champion play ?? Now compare that to the Champions league and the Libertadores Champions ! This is an over burden that should not be shoved at clubs the way fifa is trying to, simply because of the frickin money !!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news;_y...YwN0aA--?slug=reu-club&prov=reuters&type=lgns
     
  24. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Ah dear ... this funny little idea again, huh? FIFA are so pathetic.

    Just let it go, kids. No one wants your crappy embarrassment of a "championship". We have important football to be getting on with.
     
  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Just like with everything G-14, adequate financial compensation should do the trick. Real Madrid and Manchester United already don't have a problem with being a travelling circus if the cash is right.
     

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