FIFA International Match Calendar: Proposed Changes & General Discussion

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  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    That has been noted already.
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    That’s what will kill this idea in the end. Well that and the near impossible logistics.

    The biennial WC idea is probably just a ploy by FIFA to get the expanded CWC off the ventilator.
     
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  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    People were saying the same thing about an expanded 48 team World Cup along with pushing it to the Winter with a new revamped League schedule just for Qatar to happen.

    When a majority of FIFA members want things done they try their best to get it done.
     
  4. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the pressure worked, hence FIFA punting on any formats that would have had teams playing > 7 games.
     
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  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    There's always some give and take in a negotiation.
     
  6. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    I think that you are underestimating the importance of watching your heroes at the stadium.

    Any English fan can easily attend a match with Kane, Sterling, Lingard and Rashford.

    It's much more difficult for Latin Americans to attend a match with Neymar, Suárez or Messi.
     
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  7. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    But if there are more World Cups that means more chances to see your team play in a World Cup.
    And it also means more chances to rotate a tournament into South America.
    And with 48 team World Cups co-hosts will be the norm.
     
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know it's to be expected but the fact that FIFA is trying to push this through is pretty ridiculous. It's nothing more than a pure cash grab to funnel more money toward confederations who make up the majority at FIFA but who themselves have never made a World Cup.

    Makes me wonder if we may see some countries breakaway from FIFA like we've seen in conference realignment in college football. Its not sustainable when you have the group of countries are the ones primarily driving revenues get overruled by the larger subset of countries who are mostly just the recipients of said revenue.

    That's not to say FIFA shouldn't do more to grow both the men's and women's game, but a biannual World Cup is definitely not the answer for that. I do think it could be interesting to see FIFA pull together a Europa League type version of the World Cup which is designed specifically for countries who don't make World Cups very often.
     
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  9. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Johns Creek, Georgia
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    Yeah, this idea has been discussed before on here if you look back at some of the threads around the time of the last WC. I could probably find it if you wanted.

    This idea is one that made more sense with the WC at 32 teams though. With the 48-team cup, a lot of the “Europa League” sort of international teams will be qualifying for the main event anyway.
     
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  10. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    I will bet Panamanians will relish at the chance of being pounded 6-1 again by England, while their coach begs his English counterpart to stop running up the scoreboard.

    Heroes indeed.

    https://www.infobae.com/america/dep...e-suplica-piedad-al-entrenador-de-inglaterra/
     
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  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    well, for the women’s game a biennial WC makes alot of sense IMO. But yeah, not for the men’s. But what can you expect from an idea that originated in Saudi Arabia?
     
  12. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Few people in South America can afford to travel to a WC. Let’s get real here. A category 3 ticket is comparable to the average weekly salary in Argentina and Brazil. Never mind the hotel, flight, multiple tickets, food, etc. from the 95% of WCs that are played thousands of miles away from them.
     
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  13. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    We can only hope!

    Realistically, though, I'm not sure how strong or unified FIFPro actually is, since it theoretically represents many different players from many different countries with many different agendas.

    The German and Brazilian players associations do not appear to be members (although all the other major powers are), and there are only 65 members in total. Likewise, none of the big name stars are on the FIFPro Players Council.

    So I'm not sure how much power FIFPro actually has....
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Vincent Company and Lucy Bronze are pretty big names.
     
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  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Sep 4, 2010
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    #290 HomietheClown, Sep 17, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2021
    But knowing that my team is in a World Cup more often is more important than seeing them play venezuela or bolivia at home.

    Going back to the main issue though, if the teams are split into Groups of five that would actually be eight home games in a four year span.
    With the way things are now it is nine in a four year span.

    Not that big of a difference.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Yeah, since there is no qualifying needed for the Copa America there is still time for CONMEBOL to have a WC qualifying similar to how UEFA does theirs now. Though I guess that is contingent on there still being at least 4 FIFA windows per year. I will be a bit sad to say goodbye to the Brasil v Argentina WCQ clashes that we have now (unless they are in the same group, but that probably won't happen often).
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even with a 48 team World Cup there's still going to be lots of team that fail to qualify for it regularly. If you look at the Ocho for instance you'll have the likes of a El Salvador or a Jamaica who would fail to qualify under the 48 team format. Even with 8 bids out of Asia someone like China is going to struggle to qualify based on their current quality. A team like India is still lightyears away from qualifying even under the 48 team formats. And when you talk about growing the game, those are two the biggest places that FIFA needs to do so.
     
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  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Both are on better form than Costa Rica tho...

    Hey! The Confederations Cup was fun while it lasted :D
     
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  19. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It was fun until Germany won it with a C team.

    That basically was the beginning of the end for me and for FIFA.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And for Löw :coffee:
     
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  21. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    I am all for watering down Conmebol qualifiers: split them into 2 groups, where the *best fourth* goes to inter-continental play-offs.

    The less they play each other, the higher chance that their mediocre sides will stay mediocre. Other confederations will applaud Conmebol for shooting themselves on the foot.

    High time for CAF and AFC to reclaim the over-allocation of seats at Conmebol.
     
  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    With the allocation going up to 6 teams for CONMEBOL I think it will only make the mid table teams stronger.
    Teams like Peru and Ecuador and Paraguay playing against teams from other confederations in competitive official matches more often could make them better not weaker.
     
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  23. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    Reduction of 8 (45%) continental matches, in exchange for 2 inter-continental matches. Would love to see Conmebol implement that.

    Peru and Ecuador should slip back into football obscurity, like they did during their 5-team group qualifiers. Race to the bottom, here we go!
     
  24. Athlone

    Athlone Member

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    This isn't going to happen because it's just too weak of a draw. The Europa League draws about 20% of the revenue brought in by the Champions League. Assuming a similar ratio holds for this mini/B-side World Cup (and that's a big assumption), you're essentially asking confederations to vote to leave several billion on the table every 4 years. It's just not workable when one can simply hold the second World Cup instead and get 5 times the revenue.

    And the revenue is key here. You mention that growing the game is a worthwhile goal - revenue is the single biggest key to that growth. To prioritize growth of the game globally and simultaneously make a deliberate decision to cut your revenue by several billions per 4 year cycle is to be counterproductive. You need that money to actually maximize growth.
     
  25. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    I'm not following this logic at all. If there is a biennial world cup then 2 rounds of qualifying with this format (i.e. two groups of 5) would still mean 16 qualifying matches per team per 4 year cycle in CONMEBOL. And if the WC remains every 4 years, I am pretty sure CONMEBOL will stick with the current qualifying format.

    Either way, I don't see major changes in terms of the number of intra-CONMEBOL matches
     
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