FIFA 2023 U17 Finals Thread (All Teams, Tournament News)

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Sep 15, 2023.

  1. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Now that we have the draw, here's a place for discussion beyond the U.S. squad and pool. This is the U.S. squad thread.

    Focusing for a moment on the U.S. opponents (hopefully this is all correct):
    • South Korea lost in the AFC final, getting blanked by Japan. On paper, they had a pretty good tournament -- their only other loss was to Iran, which won their group and also qualified (losing to Japan in the other semifinal).
    • France lost on penalties to Germany in the UEFA final, beating Spain and England in knockout games. They almost didn't advance, getting through on a tiebreaker after finishing with the same number of points as Portugal. (Germany won that group.)
    • Burkina Faso lost in the CAF semifinals on penalties to Senegal, which ended up winning the tournament. The group stage thing was a bit confusing, as South Sudan was DQ'd so they only played two games. They lost to Mali, the group winner, which also qualified, and beat Cameroon, which didn't.
  2. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  3. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
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  4. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    In very inept fashion I wanted to be surprised, so I plugged on the draw, then got an upload from someone that summarized in a minute, so finding the fifa link just now on youtube, I grabbed that, watched 15 minutes before it suddenly hit me that it was the '17 U17 draw lol. then while trying to figure it out I accidentally saw it w/o streaming it. Highly annoying. Needless to say. not a great draw.

    We got:

    1. probably the toughest Pot 1 side possible in France.
    2. in fairness, South Korea technically is ranked middle of the road for pot 2, and honestly, seeing Argentina, Ecuador, England and Germany in there, I think I'd prefer South Korea to any of them. Not sure about Mali.

    4. It's kind of fun to finally get to see Burkina Faso in a tournament and we're actually playing them. I've been looking forward to seeing them in a tournament for a long time so I'm excited to get to play them. But ouch, even them, lost in the SF's to the eventual champs on penalties.

    All opponents are legit.
  5. Campeones123

    Campeones123 Member

    Sep 2, 2021
    South Korea is going to be a massive test to open the tournament. They are always a difficult team to play at any level, extremely disciplined and usually quite dynamic.
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  6. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    This is a tough draw. Not gonna lie, we have about a 50% chance of making it out. We will have to come out ready to compete immediately.
  7. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    I'm skeptical we make it out simply from the perspective that I didn't think they were all that impressive in qualifying, not great the other week in that tournament in Czech Republic either, though without Keyrol.

    Not a great draw, at all, Burkina Faso was basically right there with the best of CAF, South Korea always seems good, and then France, who, its hard to see us having a chance at Yikes.

    A first place finish probably would give us Senegal, Argentina or Japan, a 2nd place finish pairs us on the other side of the bracket with A with either Ecuador, Morocco, Panama or the hosts (Indonesia). Pretty funny. We have a better pairing, probably, if we finish 2nd than 1st, and I see no chance we win this group (though with teens, anything's possible).

    Feels like 2019 redux. We could get thrashed unless the handful of fun weapons we have here and there show out.

    From that perspective, no matter what we probably get some fun matchups against some legit sides, if we move on, kind of like with the senior squad where I figured we'd get Netherlands, in this case I tend to think we'd get Ecuador, which makes for a nice U17 tour France (Europe), Burkina Faso (Africa), South Korea (Asia), Ecuador (South America). But who knows, the most likely scenario w/that draw is probably 3rd of 4th place unless some guys really blow up, then its probably 2nd.

    Regardless, we all knew this was a "meh" group, not really deep, but housing potentially a few special players kind of like the '19 edition. If we promoted 3-4 of these guys to full seniors, its a win, even if the tournament results stink like every single one since 2005 other than '17. It's definitely worth noting at the U17 level, our competitiveness in the tournament has been non-existent for 20 years. We had a nice little run from '99 to '05, but since '05 the only bright spot was '17 (technically we did advance out of the group from '07-'11, but none of those squads or rosters were impressive and none made a deeper breakthrough then simply advancing). Maybe it get turned around in '25. I'm just not seeing it this cycle, but one can hope.
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  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    My expectations for this team were low after the quals to start with, so unless there is hidden talent somewhere or half of the team has athletic growth it's better to have 3 strong opponents even we go out after that than advance from a weak group, and be slaughtered after that.
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  9. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    This talent of this age group is a lot better than what you see in the call-ups from Segares. Segares is not a good coach. He's trying to create a system, and ignoring many of the best players in the age group because he doesn't perceive that they fit his system. His system doesn't work either, judging by results.
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  10. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Who would you call up?
  11. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    On a positive side poor showing forced him to pool Figueroa from a deep bench and, hopefully, the kid will stick with us.
  12. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Where do I start?

    Goalkeepers: Eyestone and Rick are a good place to start for guys that should get more of a look.

    Right-Backs: Presthus would make this team so much better. He’d be the best attacker on this team, and would do so from RB. He’s not really a RB, but anyway he’s good at RB too because he’s so good going forward. There are a bunch of factors that have kept him from getting called up this cycle. They are starting to clear up a little, but now it’s time to give him a chance before the cycle ends.

    Center-backs: Akinmboni is a good place to start. He’s gotten very few call ups all cycle. It’s puzzling why. We dropped the ball on Stefanovic. Maybe he would’ve always picked Canada, but that was a huge oversight by Segares to not make him a priority from day 1. Banks too. He’s been in some camps, but what I’ve seen of him is better than all those that have been regulars at CB this cycle. Puzzling why he hasn’t been a priority. On the margins, maybe Dash Papez and a few 07’s too, but start with the first three.

    Left-back: He’s not given almost any chances to the ‘06 LB’s, which is a decent group. Whether it’s Alanis (small technical LB), Reid-Brown (athletic defensive LB), Buebendorf (flashy high-upside LB), Jones (bigger, slower, technical LB), to name just a few, he’s decided he doesn’t like any of them.

    Defensive Midfield: Well, he let Granados get away to the Spain U-17’s. He’s good enough for Spain but not USA? Then you’ve got someone like Corcoran that for a variety of varying reasons was not going to be given a look this cycle.

    Central Mids: Two players I rate that he’s given very few chances are Wellings and Moreno. I get the reasons. Wellings performances have been hit or miss (mostly miss), but talent wise he’s up there with any of these players. Moreno, I get it too. 0 defensively, not really a 10 either. You basically have to build the team around him because of how small and unathletic he is, but there are plenty of bad athletes that he rates, and none are the match winners that Moreno is.

    Attacking Mids: It’s kind of ridiculous how Olney isn’t rated by him right now. He’s outperformed every U-17 player in the pool that’s playing MLS Next Pro this season. I don’t sense it’s going to change, although Olney hasn’t been 100% ignored all cycle, to be fair. Borso is another I just don’t get why he’s not given a chance. I think he’s a good deal better than almost every attacking mid that’s gotten significant playing time for this team this cycle.

    Wingers: He’s somewhat coming to his senses. We need speed. I won’t blame him for what’s happening with Gitau or Darboe. Those dudes situations took them out of contention, but I will blame him if he doesn’t take both Jamison and Berchimas to the U-17 WC. We need more speed. Been a huge issue all cycle how slow this team is.

    Center Forwards: This drives me crazy too. He has no use for players like Sipic and Placias that have been great in the past year because they wouldn’t fit his system. He wants another interchangeable small attacker. They aren’t that. Glover too, probably just another that is too much of a traditional #9, even though he’s another having a terrific season. He doesn’t want true #9’s.

    This isn’t to say all those players I named will pan out. It’s just that he’s ignored a lot of the best players at his disposal, and seeing the U-17 National Team struggle doesn’t give a good representation of the U-17 pool. He has his system and views, but a lot of our best 06’s (and 07’s) apparently don’t fit what he’s trying to implement.
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Have we seen a roster deadline from FIFA? The first match is scheduled for Nov. 10. I would guess it's something in the range of 1-2 weeks in advance.
  14. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Perusing the squad lists on Wikipedia, I noticed that New Caledonia is bringing two twin 08s to the tournament - Baptiste and Nicolas Kutran. I couldn't find much on them individually, but they had an older brother named Ruben Kutran who made it as far as the Bordeaux reserves before being forced to retire due to a heart condition - one that would take his life in a pickup match with friends.

    He represented New Caledonia in U17 World Cup Qualifying, but unfortunately did not qualify for the tournament. Now his younger brothers will represent their nation in Indonesia. There have to be a lot of intense and mixed emotions for the family.
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  15. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
    Guardian Next Gen players (06s only) at the U17 World Cup:

    Allen Obando, Ecuador
    Abdelhamid Aït Boudlal, Morocco
    Marc Guiu, Spain (just scored on his Barcelona debut)
    Jon Martín, Spain
    Kauã Elias, Brazil
    Vitor Reis, Brazil
    Gaku Nawata, Japan
    Karol Borys, Poland
    Claudio Echeverri, Argentina
    Fidel Barajas, Mexico
    Cruz Medina, USA
    Paris Brunner, Germany
    Noah Darvich, Germany (club team is Barcelona)
    Almugera Kabar, Germany
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  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
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  17. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    Canada lost to Argentina 2-1 in a warm up game today. Biggest take away? The amount of players on Argentina's u17 team that have sleeve tattoos already. Wasn't ready for that.
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  18. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    Argentina is really missing a sponsorship opportunity. I would what a company would pay to be the official tattoo ink of the Argentina National Teams. Why not go for it? I remember the Dallas Cowboys having an official brick, Acme, some years ago.
  19. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. Thundering165

    Thundering165 Member+

    North Carolina FC
    United States
    May 1, 2017
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  21. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    US Soccer with a nice outline of the US team and the tournament overall ...

    The USA launches its U-17 World Cup campaign on Sunday, Nov. 12 vs. Korea Republic, takes on Burkina Faso on Wednesday, Nov. 15 and finishes the group stage on Saturday {Nov 18} vs. France. All three matches will be played at Jakarta International Stadium in the nation’s capital and will be broadcast on FS1 and Telemundo platforms.
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  22. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #22 Dave Marino-Nachison, Nov 10, 2023
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2023
    Random-ish things I've chosen semi-arbitrarily to call out from the U17 rosters on Wiki:
    • Indonesia found a couple of foreign-based guys, from Sao Paulo and Hoffenheim.
    • Ecuador has a player named "Yorkaeff."
    • Panama still has both Krug brothers; Martin is apparently still at Levante, while Frederick is at Patacona. They also have a guy named Aldair Marta who is based in the U.S.
    • U.S.-based Salif Leintu is with Mali. It always seems like there lots of smoke around U.S.-based players being options for African callups at major competitions but there's been, at least to my eyes, comparatively little fire. Maybe that's changing.
    • England has a guy named Curd who's at Hashtag United. (However, he's a Chelsea loanee.)
    • Japan lists four high school players. So does South Korea. Who says high school soccer is dead?
    • I'm not 100% on this, but Venezuela lists an Alejandro Cichero Jr. Gonna guess that his dad is a guy with a few dozen VMNT caps and whose father Mauro coached in the U.S. (and who had a son named Mauro who played here).
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  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there any $5-10 app you can buy a 1-month subscription for? Everything I'm seeing is it's thru cable/channel streaming services.

    I could do the temporary preview and watch live on Fox Sports sometimes, except this is on in the middle of the night. I'd need to watch it later somewhere by rule.
  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    United States
    May 12, 2019

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