Pre-match: FCC vs DCU - "The Battle for the basement!!!"

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  1. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    You know nothing about trolling.




    The new DC United coach is going to keep Ashton on as assistant. :)
     
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  2. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Was that the one and only goal the vaunted young DP (heh) Rafael scored against Columbus? At least it was a hell of a goal.

     
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  3. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    And then Axton dumped him later in the season
     
  4. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Yeah, the striker who has scored 10 goals in his entire professional career. Clearly a case of DCU misjudging great talent.:rolleyes:
     
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  5. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    That's the thing, there aren't a ton of guys who leave DCU and go someplace else and light it up. The only name ever associated with DCU who left was Eryk Williamson and I am not sure he ever spent much if any time with the first team.

    Even Lucho with 15th (of 18) placed Atlas only has 2 goals/no assists, 4 yellows and a red this year. That's like his 2017 stat line.
     
  6. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    There was the guy that left here and played for the Chilean National Team -- Hernandez, I think. He stunk here.
     
  7. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who didn't stink here in 2010?
     
  8. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    According to Transfer Market, however much stock you put in that site that was the year of his peak value ... $17M and boy does he wear out a passport his loan from some Uruguayan club to DCU isn't shown here
     
  9. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
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    DC United
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    United States
    yep, that's how trolling is done.

    I am near-violently enraged even though I know you are just saying that to enrage me.
    Well done, sir.
     
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  10. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Andy Najar.
     
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  11. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
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    DC United
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    United States
    LAFC is squeezing every ounce that's left in Dejan Jackovic.
     
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  12. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
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    DC United
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    United States
    yeah, that's a weird one. I was happy to see him make a comeback but he was still "not great" for a long time after he left DCU - something, likely non-DCU-related, happened to him and his form went downhill for a while.


    not this-post-related:

    It's a bad way to judge things anyway - a) people's view of good/bad at any point in time is very subjective, 2) some players are weirdly motivated by being traded/fired, others need something positive to happen to be re-motivated, can't always point to when exactly they started getting either worse or better.
     
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  13. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Wrong Pablo Hernandez. This is the right one.
     
  14. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    #64 PSURoss, Oct 19, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2020
    So that's what ... 1? The number is not going to be much higher. The players we have acquired over the past decade were mostly past their sell by dates, too raw or not enough potential to start with. Could we get 5 guys cut loose in the last decade who were worth the plane ticket out of town? Any that had we kept them, done something else for them turned them into difference makers?
     
  15. usadcu

    usadcu Member

    Aug 25, 2005
    Alexandria, VA
    With the qualifying limit of the last decade, yes, this becomes a short list. Players who went on to decent success after DC let them walk...Jakovic and maybe Salihi?
    And, of course, Long Tan. ;)
     
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  16. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Players the team originally picked up outside MLS:
    Pablo Hernandez.
    Hamdi Salihi (he scored 96 club goals and 2 national team goals after he left here).
    Branko Boskovic (though in fairness he retired shortly after he left here).
    Dejan Jakovic.
    Wayne Rooney.
    Luciano Acosta.
    Lucas Rodriguez (he's not back because his transfer fee was too high).
    Steve Clark.
    Charlie Davies (the Olsen doghouse).
    Christian Fernandez (the Spanish RB we had for half a season and is still carving out a career for himself in Spain).
    Zoltan Stieber (like Davies, went into the Olsen doghouse).
     
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  17. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    I'm old and my memory is failing. Why did Charlie Davies and Zoltan Stieber end up in Olsen's doghouse. Both, especially Stieber IIRCA, scored often.
     
  18. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
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    DC United
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    United States
    I miss Zoltan and really regret not getting around to wearing a bubble-wrap outfit to a game before he left.
     
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  19. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

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    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
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    United States
    My memory of Stieber is he had a longish run starting and just wasn't producing, so he was benched for Segura(?, maybe, not sure).
    Davies was a decent player on a bad team, not sure what happened there.
     
  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    There's a WaPo article where Davies pretty much says his role kept changing that season after DeRo's arrival to where he was pretty much glued to the bench. After his hat trick at Chivas, Davies barely played.

     
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  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    I know Stieber was starting to get phased out after Rooney arrived in 2018 - maybe because he wasn't really defensive minded? He was definitely a big reason the team was able to do any sort of scoring before Rooney arrived.

    By 2019 he was clearly 4th on the wide midfield pecking order (after Arriola, Rodriguez, and Segura) and just stayed glued to the bench til he left in the summer.
     
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  22. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    If these are your high fliers, I'd love for you to do my next performance review.
     
  23. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You set a pretty low bar with "Could we get 5 guys cut loose in the last decade who were worth the plane ticket out of town". That was pretty easy to cross, even if you find ways to not rate these players.

    Also, Pablo Hernandez played four (not one) seasons at Celta Vigo, and has 30 caps for Chile.
     
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  24. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I still think the point I am making remains, is that its a short list. There aren't many guys we gave up on who went elsewhere and blew things up.

    And you're right about Hernandez, I misread the TransferMarket page.
     
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  25. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Of that entire group, Hernandez is the most perplexing, but he was here only on loan in a season where Onalfo was fired and Olsen was just installed as coach. Of the others, Salihi is the greatest loss, he still had something in the tank. The rest were meh (Rooney excepted, but I'm including Lucho in the "meh" category as he has had one half really productive season anywhere) or at the end of their careers. (I'll except Clark from this because he was at DCU at the end of a hideous season just to get back on the radar in MLS. He's been "Clarkian" for Portland which means some great plays and some real head scratchers.)
     
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