Everyone Else But Us (Other Teams Thread 3) [R]

Nice goal by Momo.
Here are other goals.

 

WOW! two goals for momo in the one season now!

 

Seeing Tim Cahills goal celebration against Portsmouth, I thought he was just gesturing to demonstrate that he was proud to be Australian.

It turns out it was in tribute to his brother, Sean, who has just been sentenced to 6 years in prison for GBH that partially blinded a man. After kicking this guy in the head, he fled the UK and got extradited from Australia.

Everton have shamelessly defended this public gesture of support for a violent criminal. I doubt Newcastle would endorse Joey Barton publicly displaying support for his axe-murderer of a brother while wearing a club shirt. Although they are probably desperate for a goal-celebration of any description .

 

Great post.

 

Well since Sean Cahill has been convicted of grevious bodily harm with intent, by a jury of his peers in a fair court of law due to the testimony of eyewitnesses and subsequently sentenced to 6 years in prison, I think it is a fair label. He is by definition a violent criminal as he has been convicted of a serious violent crime. If his conviction is subsequently overturned and he is acquitted then I will rescind my label and apologize. Until then, it's a label he's earned.

The relation to football is that Tim Cahill performed his handcuff goal celebration while playing for Everton. He then explained that this was a gesture of support for his brother and Everton have subsequently supported him in this. Now I fiind this shameless and inappropriate and shows little consideration to the family of the victim of his brothers attack.

If a Liverpool player shows support for a violent criminal while playing in the club colours I would consider that inappropriate as well. I would not expect the club to support such an action or allow it to be repeated. That's my position. If you don't agree then that's your call.

My horse is high, and I am sitting on it. In a morally indignant way!

 

As the Everton spokesperson said:

In other words, tough.

 

I'm so sorry for stumbling into your secret Liverpool only board...

 

Oh, please. The club could easily have a word in his ear and tell him not to repeat it as it is bad publicity.

 

They might have already done so but behind the scenes. Either way the fact remains that Cahill has done nothing wrong. You might not personally agree but that is irrelevant.

EDIT: I obviously meant Tim

 

Yeah, he sounds like a regular charmer. Especially the bit that reads 'convicted of this extremely seriously offense'. He was obviously innocent which was why he skipped bail and fled the country before being extradited.

26 does not refer to how many years you've got left on your sentence/already served/people you've killed/BS posters you've hunted down does it?

I always just assumed you wanted to show you could do everything Jack Bauer could do and a little bit more!

 

This gave me a good laugh....
BTW, they have his brother on camera kicking a man in the head twice, while the latter was already on the ground. He blinded the man - he should serve the full six years but if Britain is anything like the US, he'll be out in 2 and get probation...

 

I said I think he has done something inappropriate. If you disagree that's up to you.

 

No, what you did was have a go at Everton for defending the celebration. They had every right to do so because Tim Cahill has done nothing wrong. Fact. That is something you cannot disagree with.

 

On this one, I am with the Rev with a caveat. I think the salute was inappropriate but footballers are stupid. His analogy is apropos -- what if Barton had done a axe chopping gesture to show solidarity with his brother? I'm sure somebody was sorry that that "young man" was a racist murderer. That said, even though there is no constitutional right to free speech in Mrs. Windsor's realm, we would generally say he had a "right" to speak his mind by gesture. It wouldn't provoke a riot like Neville's gestures to our traveler's, so its OK within that context. I wouldn't really expect the club to come out and say "we know that was wrong but Tim is as thick as two bricks". They did probably have a word with him in private.

 

I do disagree with it. Fact. I thought his gesture was inappropriate given its meaning. I also thought it was wrong of Everton to condone it. This is my position. Fact.

Why get your knickers in a twist over my differing point of view? I am not asking for you to agree with me. Frankly I don't care, if you do. I don't recall asking you for what my opinion should be. This is because I did not. My opinion is not determined by what you think it should be. So like it or lump it.

 

What you have failed to realise is that regardless of what you might think, neither Tim Cahill nor Everton have done anything wrong. That my friend, is a fact.

If Joey Barton did his axe celebration then you might have a point because you could make the argument that it was bringing the game into disrepute. If it was done in Liverpool (as a city) then you could call it trying to incite the crowd. However, replicating the actions of a crime and pretending to be in handcuffs are poles apart.

 

Your statement is one of opinion and not of fact.

 

No, it is clearly one of fact. Neither Tim Cahill nor Everton have broken any rules or laws. FACT.

 

OK this could quite easily degenerate into inanity.

Teso, you are just displaying your usual contentiousness and intolerance of dissenting opinion at BS. Fact.

 

Please clarify whether the above is an opinon or a fact. Unless it is explicity labelled, readers are unable to judge and have to rely on reading the words. Fact

 

revelationx, what rules or laws did either Tim Cahill or Everton break?



There is no need to rush into an answer, as I am going for food. Please take your time.