European Superleague: what do you think

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by Goforthekill, Nov 12, 2012.

  1. Krispi

    Krispi Member

    Manchester United
    Aug 24, 2021
    European Union
    14 teams per group in combined 2 group. Last 16, quarters, semis and a grand final game then.

    The club's guarantee in Super League:

    Barcelona
    Real Madrid
    Celtic
    Rangers
    Bayern Münich
    Leipzig
    Borrusia Dortmund
    Liverpool
    Manchester United
    Chelsea
    PSV Eindhoven
    Benfica
    Inter
    Milan
    Juventus
    Lokomotiv Moscow

    :(
     
  2. klade

    klade New Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Portugal
    Sep 16, 2021
    Not a bad idea
     
  3. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    Why is an African Super League in Association football seen as such a good thing?

    but

    Why is an European Super League in Association football seen as such a bad thing?
     
  4. Why do you ask a question you can answer yourself by reading the thread from the start. We're not going to repeat the whole thread for you.
     
  5. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #380 Courtneysmith, Nov 1, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2021
    a merit based European Super League is the best way to find out find out which is the best club team at football in Europe each season.

    I am asking you the question do you want there to be a European Super League?
    for me no.
    I want a 8 team, world super league or at least a club world cup.

    fifa are against a European super league but an almost identical copy of it FiFA are trying to create in africa,

    So a continent wide super league is ok for Africa but wrong for Europe according to FIFA? explain please.
     
  6. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Because it allows the lucky few to make a ton of money and get the best players, while the rest of us would watch inferior football.
     
  7. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #382 Courtneysmith, Nov 18, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2021
    It feels like the spoiled kids at school (who have never had the word 'no' said to them) who take the huff and start up their own game because they can and don't like the rules of the other game everybody else is playing.
    if a breakaway super league happens do not be surprised if the sport of association football split into two from of association football with different rules for each version of association football.

    the few spoiling it for the many.

    at least with uefa u know where you stand but with this mob they will drop u as soon as it suits them.


    The way to stop a European Super League is to financially boycott it and everything connected with it.
    No money in European super league = European Super league dies.
     
  8. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ses-key-features-of-values-based-sport-model/
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  9. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Greetings I am new here, how do we use the quote feature, which icon is that? I am trying to get used to the gui system. Looks like the European Super League is not going to get going. Many of the elite clubs, including Bayern Munchen, already mentioned, they would not participate. Fifa is talking about serious fines for participation and banning of any European competitions.

    We could simulate this in EA FIFA sports in a video game but that is abou tit. The European Super League was a fun idea, while it lasted but the powers to be in FIFA and UEFA, plus all of the big-name clubs (not just Byaern) said NO.
     
  10. Look at the right hand bottom corner.
     
  11. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Danke, I got it now, Once I get the ability to have full access to here, give reps and post, I will do so for you. I notified staff about the issue.
     
  12. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #387 Courtneysmith, Mar 27, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2022
    A league format (with no knockout rounds/stages) is the best way to find out which is the best football club in Europe each season.

    Finding out which is the best club in Europe is the whole point for the creation of the competition in the first place.

    So the time for a European super League is long overdue but i understand that 50% of the money in a European League needs to be reallocated from any European League to the rest of football along with promotion and relegation into and out of the European league based on merit in order to give clubs inside and outside of a European League the realistic chance of playing in the European League in the future.
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  13. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They tried to have a European Super League, as an alternative to the UEFA Champions Leauge but UEFA and FIFA said no. On top of that the biggest clubs in Europe that you know: from Bayern to Real Madrid, PSG, Man City, Liverpool etc all said no. Any team who would participate would be automatically banned from the Champion's League.

    I think we have way too many games and players careers are getting shortened because of it. One thing we can do is get rid of the unnecessary domestic cup games for example: The FA Cup or the German Super Cup and each country has their own cup. Arsen Wenger won two FA cups at Arsenal but he was still let go as their manager so that should tell you that nobody really cares about them anyways. It is a chance for the smaller clubs to play the big boy and maybe they can get an upset but other than that, the competitions are overall worthless. Players also can get injured in those games and if it is close to a World Cup, they can miss out on that.

    So Keep the UCL and Europea because that is good for the smaller clubs and the regular season format but get rid of the domestic cups, it is unnecessary and repetitive. Will it happen, probably not because it generates revenue for the clubs but it would be nice if it would happen.
     
  14. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #389 Courtneysmith, Apr 11, 2022
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2022
    Report: European Super League to be re-launched today, featuring 10 teams

    The European Super League is set to be relaunched today, featuring 10 of the major players from last time around

    1. Real Madrid,
    2. Manchester City,
    3. Manchester United,
    4. Juventus,
    5. AC Milan
    6. Inter Milan,
    7. Barcelona,
    8. Atletico Madrid,
    9. Liverpool
    10. Chelsea

    https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/re...ue-to-be-re-launched-today-featuring-10-teams

    Part 2
    if you had a the following
    10 team F.A. Premier League
    Play each of the other 9 teams in the league once home & once away = 18 fixtures per team.
    relegation: only Bottom team relegated.
    promotion: only winners of second tier division promoted.

    and a 10 teams Super League
    Play each of the other 9 teams in the league once home & once away = 18 fixtures per team.
    relegation: only Bottom team relegated.
    promotion: only winners of second tier division promoted.

    between both leagues you have two sets of 18 fixtures = 36 fixtures.
    as no fixture congestion*.

    *no fixture congestion: as 36 games is only two less games than the 38 games currently played by each team in the current 20 team set up of the fa premier league.

    An open league yes please, a closed league no thank you.
    what ya think of point two.

    what ya think
     
  15. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona

    The linked article is from a month ago.

    In your proposal of a 10 team Premier League what do you do with the ‘other’ ten teams currently in Premier League?

    And as a fan of La Liga I suppose you want a 10 team Liga as well.

    And what teams are in this “second tier division” to determine who gets promoted to the Super League?

    If we’re going to discuss the elite clubs in the Super League there has to be consideration for the many remaining teams being left behind.
     
  16. Courtneysmith

    Courtneysmith Member

    marseille
    Scotland
    Aug 25, 2020
    #391 Courtneysmith, Apr 12, 2022
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2022
    the F.A. Premier league in all but design is a two team league anyway i.e. the big six are effectively in a TOP league of their own fighting for the league title most seasons while the rest are in a Bottom League fighting to avoid relegation.

    Example Man City Liverpool fighting for the league title, while
    Burnley Norwich fighting to avoid relegation.

    yes you get the exception of Leicester city winning the league in 2015/16 but that is an exception to the rule.

    Example division 2 of European super League

    1. Benfica
    2. Ajax
    3. Oporto
    4. Rangers
    5. Celtic
    6. Napoli
    7. Arsenal
    8. Chelsea
    9. Newcastle United
    10. PS Eindhoven

    PSG and German clubs currently decline to be part of any European super League.
     
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  17. German clubs can't be part of a superleague as by default they lose their DFB licence.
     
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  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Okay. So in your proposal of a 10 team Premier League what do you do with the ‘other’ ten teams currently in Premier League?

    And as a fan of La Liga I suppose you want a 10 team Liga as well.

    If we’re going to discuss the elite clubs in the Super League there has to be consideration for the many remaining teams being left behind.

    Also…
    Do we know those teams you list are willing to be involved in a “second tier” league, especially if only one team gains promotion every season?

    And how much would those elite clubs (and their fans!) in the Super League accept not only being out of the running for the league title in March-April but possibly having to fight to avoid relegation?
     
  19. EU legal adviser sides with UEFA, FIFA in Super League case
    [​IMG]USA Today|7 hours ago
    Super League was dealt a blow when an EU legal adviser proposed the European Court of Justice should back UEFA and FIFA in blocking the breakaway competition. Advocate General Athanasios Rantos proposed on Thursday that the court recognize FIFA-UEFA rules under which Super League should be subject to prior approval were compatible with European Union competition law.
     
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  20. When this advice is followed by the Court it basically robs the superclubs from the blackmail tool they've been using for the last dcade or more to squeeze more money into their pockets at the cost of the smaller clubs /smaller leagues.
    With this in hand UEFA should start a retaliation campaign against those who've been actively partner in the extortion game. This EU ruling (if confirmed) makes the vilains tooth and clawless.
     
  21. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They are talking about a 32 club team tourney but this is not the Super League. They tried that, most of the big clubs like Bayern, Real Madrid, the good English clubs said no,. It was a good idea but it did not materialize because the powers to be in FIFA said no way
     
  22. Napoli beat Juve 5-1.
    So much for the superleague wannabe club.
     
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  23. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #399 NavyVet, Jan 14, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2023
    What happened to Juve all of a sudden? Ok so I never considered them a "Superclub" like I do with Bayern, Real Madrid and PSG but they were never THIS BAD 5-1 L to Napoli lol. I have a cousin who is half Italian half German, and his Italian family are from Napoli. I bet Luca is happy lol. Oh and respect to Napoli because they do not spend as much as Roman, Juve and Milan but they are on top of the table, with 47 points. You can't help but to route for those "underdog" clubs, everyone loves an underdog story. It has been 32 years since Napoli won a Sirea A title, can this year be the year?

    I think so. Since I follow Arsenal in the EPL, Napoli kind of reminds me of Arsenal a good team, that does not spend as much as the other 3-4 big names, but they always produce and are right there. Arsenal are 6 points clear of the EPL Table. Napoli, Arsenal, and Bayern prove that you don't have to leverage the farm for short term success. Yes sign that one star to a good contract but develop players through your farm system, that is how you can beat the big boys. What makes Bayern unique is they are the only Super Club that does not go after shark agents. Good luck to your team in Sirea A Napoli are playing.Bellissima football.
     
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  24. NavyVet

    NavyVet Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Mar 1, 2022
    Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You can do what you have in American football team have a FBS and a FCS or Division 1 and weaker division 1. I kind of agree that those bottoms 10 don't have a chance anyway, they are usually just there Have two EPL divisions you can call it Super EPL for the top 10 teams and they can play, then you can have the bottom ten be in the EPL.
    Since the league make up will change, you can have two teams from the Super EPL get relegated and two teams from the EPL get promoted to the Super EPL. This way the teams like Arsenal, Man U, Man City, Liverpool, and Tottenham can go at it and teams like Wolverhampton, Southhampton, Everton and West Ham can battle each other. At least this will be FAIRER. I am trying to think outside of the box what do people think of my idea of having two EPL leagues the top 10 and the bottom ten BUT the bottom 10 can get promoted to the "Super" EPL league.
     

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