Euro 2020 - Tickets Thread

Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by noar1985, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Everton FC
    Iceland
    Feb 20, 2020
    I agree with all of this! I'm probably bummed more than most that I almost assuredly won't be going as this was going to be my first tournament. However, a couple of posts (not Amber and Blue's) here today are just flat out ridiculous. It's also ridiculous because anyone saying they won't go to a football match again almost definitely will before Euro 2024.

    If you think you should be able to go to a football match in 2021 with no precautions or requirements, you're out of your mind. This is not a virus where you have to go out of your way to do some high risk activity to catch it. It's less likely now with vaccines, but you could potentially give it to some grandma shopping at Sainsbury for milk without even knowing it. Maybe I am too nice, but I would feel really awful if I did that.
     
  2. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Everton FC
    Iceland
    Feb 20, 2020
    I wonder if that means whether UEFA will announce the alternate sites on Friday then too. It looks like Bilbao and Dublin are out or very well could be out.
     
  3. mkdaman1818

    mkdaman1818 Member

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Feb 16, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This is not a good sign given that a bunch of us want to go from USA. It also would be a bit odd given that vaccinations are in full swing here in the US and will be opened up to everyone in a few weeks. I understand other countries but the US should be allowed IMO...
     
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  4. detredwin

    detredwin Member

    Oct 30, 2019
    I am thinking the same, especially if EU countries like Greece and Spain allow vaccinated Americans to come starting in mid-May or beginning of June. If you transit through them and can then make your way to Holland, Denmark, England, Hungary, etc., why would UEFA block you from attending the game? Given how rapidly we are vaxxing, and if a leak from the Biden admin about removing inbound Europe/Brazil restrictions by mid- May comes through, a decision to bar Americans from attending games seems odd to me.
     
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  5. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Everton FC
    Iceland
    Feb 20, 2020
    Unfortunately, I think the problem is that UEFA either has to say all foreign fans or none. Especially when a lot of the problematic areas are inside Europe due to vaccine issues.
     
  6. detredwin

    detredwin Member

    Oct 30, 2019
    But why would UEFA decide to run ahead of the governments themselves? If a government of Italy, for instance, would allow vaccinated visitors before June 11, irrespective of Euro, why would UEFA block those allowed people from attending the game? If Holland would allow vaccinated tourists prior to June 23, why wouldn't they go to the knockout round? Would UEFA expect domestic crowds for early knockout games where no city is having a host team play? How many Dutch would come and watch Poland-Sweden, just as a random pair? I think it would be silly, especially financially, for UEFA to bar vaxxed people.
     
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  7. mkdaman1818

    mkdaman1818 Member

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Feb 16, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #6007 mkdaman1818, Apr 7, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2021
    Why all or none? Why can’t they allow fans from certain countries, and/or ones that prove they’re vaccinated?

    The only logic I can see there is limiting ticket sales to host country residents only, strictly due to reduced capacities. But if vaccinations are lagging behind and residents don’t want to go if not fully vaxxed, why limit the matches?
     
  8. mkdaman1818

    mkdaman1818 Member

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Feb 16, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Exactly my thought. I posted this before, but if I’m UEFA, I let everyone refund their tickets that want to (by Apr 19). Then if there’s still matches that are oversubscribed, ask ticketholders (maybe from foreign countries to start) to provide proof of vaccination to keep their seats, otherwise they get canceled and refunded. Any additional tickets that open up go in the resale/FCFS portal.
     
  9. petschovschi

    petschovschi Member

    May 7, 2018
    Europei, no del Cts al pubblico negli stadi, almeno per ora - La Gazzetta dello Sport

    Despite the announcement of italian federation regarding spectators (based on a letter from italian health minister), the much needed approval from italian CTS (scientific technical committee) didn't come yet. So, it seems that everything is in the air regarding Rome, which is in the same situation like Dublin (something like "yes, we want to have spectators, but we can't say for sure at this moment.")
     
  10. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Everton FC
    Iceland
    Feb 20, 2020
    As in the comment above yours, if a particular government says all tourists are let in by the Euros, I would think UEFA might just do the same. If a government is restricting foreigners in, I can't see them picking and choosing what countries are allowed to go. It just seems like a logistical nightmare and potentially political quagmire if they let certain foreign residents attend and not others.

    It would be a potential political issue if Americans (or other non-European countries) are let into games, but residents of countries actually in the tournament are not allowed to go. I can't see that going over well with the member FA's. Not to mention that the virus can still be spread even if vaccinated.

    I do 100% agree with you that UEFA should require vaccination records to attend and keep your tickets, but I also don't know if there are logistical issues with that.
     
  11. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    Out of interest, would you go to a World Cup in South America if you had to show proof of a yellow fever jag?
     
  12. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    #6012 welshbairn, Apr 7, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2021
    The only honest answer from the host cities so far has come from Dublin, it's too soon to tell. I can see how UEFA and fans want time to organise things but the way it's surging again in Europe and new variants seemingly immune to some vaccines it could go either way, free movement and 50%+ capacities or locals only in token numbers. If vaccination numbers bring herd immunity there might not even be need for proofs or tests, but June is cutting it fine, especially for international travel.

    P.S. Unfortunately I think the most likely scenario is only people who have bought or will buy tickets as members of their national football associations will be allowed to attend games. Whether that will allow travel I don't know. Hampden's game between Czechia and Croatia will be a bit odd if not, as will England v Scotland at Wembley where no doubt a load of Scots will have joined the England fan club in anticipation..;)
     
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  13. detredwin

    detredwin Member

    Oct 30, 2019
    It may be wishful thinking on my part, but the only way I see UEFA banning travelers is if they proactively take tickets away from all foreign ticket holders. If they don't take them away and you show up as a vaccinated American or Russian in Copenhagen for a game, I would be shocked if you don't get in. At least here in the US, that would be a textbook fraud-in-the-inducement slam dunk case. I can't UEFA enforce citizenship at the gate for no reason. Again, as long as they themselves don't remove your tickets. If they do, then we will know for sure that we can't go.
     
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  14. mkdaman1818

    mkdaman1818 Member

    Manchester United
    Brazil
    Feb 16, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #6014 mkdaman1818, Apr 7, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2021
    I agree they should let the entry requirements be handled at the government level... and governments do have selectiveness based on which country, other entry requirements, etc. I would only say then that UEFA should look to have vaccinated folks enter the stadiums (simple picture of vaccination record to validate the ticket purchase should do the trick). Also a note that the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and moderna) show vastly reduced levels of transmission.
     
  15. LaParka710

    LaParka710 Member

    Everton FC
    Iceland
    Feb 20, 2020
    #6015 LaParka710, Apr 8, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2021
    I would think that if the plan is that non-residents are not allowed at multiple or all venues, that they will be refunding those non-resident tickets automatically. Maybe it is the skeptic in me, but I think that is half the reason (the other half being that they need money) why they made that change that if you refund, you will get it back by the end of the tournament. That way, they can hope that the money refunded will be replaced by residents buying those tickets.

    But, the difference between UEFA and governments is that a) UEFA has to consider individual FA's that might not be too understanding if their residents aren't allowed to go to their country's matches while others are and b) there could be a competitive advantage if one country (not including host countries in the group stages) is allowed to have fans while another is not. Especially in the knockout stages where host countries are less likely to be in home stadiums. For example, based on the Porto-Chelsea CL quarterfinal, I'm presuming that it is possible that if Portugal and Spain played in London at the semis or finals that Spaniards could be allowed in while the Portuguese fans would not be.
     
  16. BarneyG

    BarneyG New Member

    Mar 16, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Personally for me, and I understand we’ve got posters on this site (myself included) who have tickets for games in a different country, but the safest option would be to host games with just natives of the host.

    It’s the safest way, in the long term, especially with COVID still quite high in certain countries, I have no doubt though, that Danish fans etc would snap up tickets to the games and I think it’s just the most logical.

    Certainly from a fan perspective, if they change their mind last minute and you’ve spent thousands on flights and hotels which you’ll lose.

    But this is UEFA, and sense doesn’t always prevail with them, unfortunately.
     
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  17. Ric_Braz

    Ric_Braz Member+

    May 13, 2009
    Wiltshire, UK.
    Club:
    AFC Wimbledon
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I agree and cannot see how they can give tickets to foreign fans. It does concern me that there seems to be this feeling that if you are vaccinated then that is all problems solved and you won't get and you can't pass it on which is patently untrue. So far they are convinced if increases peoples immune system to deal with it better not block up hospitals and dare I say it, Mortuaries.
     
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  18. bfcbfc

    bfcbfc Member

    Barnsley
    England
    Jul 22, 2019
    Yorkshire
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    I agree. I am in the same boat as a UK resident.. tickets for Wembley but also Copenhagen, Rome, Munich... I have not refunded the foreign ones but I have no hope at all of going as it stands.

    The only hope I have left is the Wembley game.. the question is what is UEFA going to do regarding tickets for residents. Let's say Wembley has a 25% capacity.. after you have taken off the inevitable UEFA freebies of some kind you may be left with 20k.. if the FA supporters club have 9k then you may only be looking at 10k left. Factor into that it is possible the government could have struck a deal on some tickets to give to NHS, "local heros" etc like that have done with the two cup finals. Doesn't leave many left for the ordinary fans who have a ticket through UEFA.

    It wouldn't surprise me one bit if UEFA already knew what they were doing and are just holding onto tickets (money) for as long as possible before they have to refund.

    In regards to vaccinations. I am sure the government wouldn't make it compulsory for entry as it would vastly discriminate people, like me under 40, who probably won't have had their first dose before the end of May. They have been quite clear on that and it hasn't been needed for any of the test events going on. I think that a negative test within so many hours could be needed alongside the vaccine record.
     
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  19. BarneyG

    BarneyG New Member

    Mar 16, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC
    I just feel you’re going to upset more people, by allowing “everyone”, than allowing certain people.

    What’s the benchmark for everyone?

    Vaccinated - what if certain countries are less advanced? It’s not the customers fault. What if certain people haven’t been offered it? (Uk for example won’t have offered to under 30s)

    What if some fans are on a red list and can’t attend?

    what if fans (like certain posters on here) are spending hundreds on flights and given the go ahead, only to find they can no longer attend.

    Do I think that every venue would be able to have 15,000 locals at minimum in every game? I really do.

    It stops any spreading, or fear and I just feel it’s the smartest way, even if my Budapest tickets are going back.
     
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  20. BarneyG

    BarneyG New Member

    Mar 16, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC

    I mean just in regards to your NHS point, I’d be very shocked in the The FA gave our free tickets and stopped fans who have paid getting tickets.

    Ultimately at this stage, it’s a damage limitation for UEFA, for me, and I’d be shocked if sponsors still got a big cut (hospitality will be prioritised I feel).

    It’s one thing thanking NHS for pilot events, but doubt it for major tournaments.

    I think you’re right and I think UEFA, will know exactly what’s happening. I wouldn’t be entirely shocked to see London, St. Petersburg and any venue offering 50% or more given games which Dublin, Bilbao May be giving up, to maximise revenue.
     
  21. bfcbfc

    bfcbfc Member

    Barnsley
    England
    Jul 22, 2019
    Yorkshire
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Although I agree with your points maybe too much credit is being given to UEFA - where there's money to be made they will make it!

    Hopefully Wembley commit to 50% or even 30% then I will be more reassured of my tickets being valid. The problem with them being given the other games are the fixture clashes as a lot would be the same day or day after which wouldn't be possible and the likes of Old Trafford are normally booked up for other events which at this point I would assume aren't cancelled so they can't give 100% assurances of hosting. This is where it becomes a pain for UEFA as a stadium such as The Etihad wouldn't be itching to host games last minute without making money. At 25% capacity, with all the protocols, UEFA or the government would surely need to sweeten the deal, otherwise why would they do it.

    Unfortunately.. I don't think we will know 100% about individual tickets until the end of the month/early next month.
     
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  22. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    I think the Scottish Government is determined as far as possible that this will be the last lockdown. It was nearly killed off last summer before people came back from holiday with new variants, then again in December with hospitals particularly in SE England way over capacity. The very final restriction they want to remove is on foreign travel. The London Government is giving signs that they want to move faster in which case there's not a whole lot Edinburgh can do about it, but I'm almost certain Hampden will be locals only.
     
  23. welshbairn

    welshbairn Member

    Clachnacuddin
    Scotland
    Jul 31, 2019
    #6023 welshbairn, Apr 8, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2021
    Man City want to plant a new pitch and let it settle in for next season so I think that rules out The Etihad unless something political happens from the UAE. I'd have thought they'd want to keep it around London so they can set up permanent bases for the teams etc under strict protocols, but the Met are already moaning about having to police more than one London venue on the same day, so who knows. Maybe Newcastle?
     
  24. BarneyG

    BarneyG New Member

    Mar 16, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC

    I think the idea the UK will host further games at a different venue could be a little presumptive on our behalf... in theory, St. Petersburg and Baku could take extra games, and the Dublin and Bilbao games would not clash infact the only venues which clash with Dublin and Bilbao (I'm using these, as they seem most likely to drop out) would be Glasgow, London, Budapest and Munich.

    If we're using the UK for example, i'm sure there would be a venue who would meet the need, and be willing to do so, even if it was smaller... Ashton Gate, King Power Stadium, Riverside Stadium, if England goes to forecast, they could host roughly 12-16,000 and have room for hospitality to meet demand.

    I fully agree here though, UEFA want money, and I would still expect they'll be looking for alternates (Tottenham, Arsenal, Anfield spring to mind for hospitality in this country), and I'm sure they'll have something lined up.

    Its agonising waiting here, but what can we do?
     
  25. Petersonnn

    Petersonnn Member

    Jan 7, 2016
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Texas Rangers (baseball) had full house (40000 people) in their Stadium Opener.

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    Since 3/3, Neanderthals are down -49%, science is up 60%

    Remember, they don’t ever have to be right..they just have to say it works
     

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