PBP: (EURO 2012 - Group Stage - Match 2) Holland v. Germany 06.13.2012 [R]

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  1. Dhajj

    Dhajj Member+

    Nov 25, 2010
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Like a Baron ;)
     
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  2. Lucky_Strike

    Lucky_Strike Member

    Jun 9, 2012
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    'Haha Jogi do it again, He's not looking'
     
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  3. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Only gripe is that I think we can get more from the wings with the players we have in the squad.

    Podolski and Muller have been a total waste of space for the past two games and for Low to ignore the talent on the "bench" is criminal.

    Oh one more thing, we look to be half asleep during the first 20 mins, what the hell was up with that? Had RVP taken his chance when Hummels fell asleep then we may have been signing a different song.

    All is not well with this team but its an improvement over the first match, but I don't think Low is helping the cause with his subs and so far refusing to entertain starting with "real wingers".. (Reus, Schurrle >>> Muller, Podolski).
     
  4. wallstreet123456

    Nov 2, 2005
    NYC
    Did they ever mention what the issue was between Boateng and Schneider at the end of the game?
     
  5. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He was throwing a tantrum because Boa/Bads/Hummels bossed him around the pitch.
     
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  6. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Nice match and a big improvement over the Portugal match although it wasn't all perfect and the Netherlands were clearly an inferior team to Portugal's..

    I'm very happy for Mario (incredible goals!) and Schweini (yea I DID critizise Schweini after 1st match but he proved me wrong). Also our Defense was again very solid. Yea there was the little mistake by Hummels which has lead to the goal but hey, we're speaking about one of the finest attack force in world's football and RVP was also very lucky with the shot, although it was well taken. No bash on Hummels for that. The most improtant thing was, that the defense remained certain and calmed and could absorb Holland's pressure. ********in great.

    The midfield was bossed better with a significantly better Schweini. I had the feeling that we played more a 4-1-4-1 yesterday with Schweini constantly going upfront when the Netherlands trying to isolate Özil (which they did not THAT bad). So it was on Schweini to use the space the Holland players were handling him and he did in great manner.

    Löw seems to build some serious team spirit but I would prefer to try one or both of Reus and Götze against Denmark instead of Müller/Podolski. I didn't see Podolski/Müller as bad as many in here though.

    It could also be an advantage that we're not through yet. The team will stay focussed. Besides a change on the wing I want to see Mertesacker to replace Bads in the last match and Höwedes for Boateng. Bads because of his yellow card, we're really going to need him against whoever will advance from group A. So Jogi, take your choice but pls not more than 2 or 3 changes.

    I'm proud of how the team could use the pressure in a positive way and you could see that something is growing. That could've easily been the famous break through match which is needed in every tournament.
     
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  7. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I found this match recap interesting given some of the comments on how Germany were not playing "attacking" football.

    Germany 2-1 Holland: German flexibility outwits the static Dutch midfield

    June 14, 2012
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    The starting line-ups
    The second excellent Group B game of the night, and another encounter decided by superiority in one particular zone.
    Jogi Löw continued with the same starting XI that defeated Portugal on Saturday.
    Despite widespread predictions that Holland would change at least one of their front four, Bert van Marwijk’s selection featured only one change, with Ron Vlaar dropping out of the side now Joris Mathijsen was fit to start. Clearly, van Marwijk believed that the majority of Holland’s play against Denmark was good – it was just the finishing that let them down.
    Germany were much the better side here – they were more comfortable on the ball, their movement was better and they played at a quicker tempo. It was something of a surprise to see them hanging on towards the end of the game, having been so superior in the first half.
    Wide positions
    Whereas the earlier Group B game was contested on the flanks, the battles in wide zones here were quiet, with the full-backs coming out on top. Ibrahim Afellay had another disappointing game, and Jerome Boateng again deserves great credit for his defensive performance, having been unsure of his place in the side before the tournament (although he picked up a second yellow card, and will miss the game against Denmark). On the other side, Philipp Lahm played Arjen Robben wonderfully – Robben was predictable, always coming inside onto his left foot, but Lahm had extra knowledge from Bayern, and Robben only succeeded with one of his five attempts to dribble past an opponent.
    At the other end, Gregory van der Wiel against Lukas Podolski was something of a no-score draw – it’s difficult to remember either significantly involved in the play – while Thomas Muller was probably the wide player who looked most dangerous (mainly with a couple of crosses towards Mario Gomez) against the inexperienced Jetro Willems – although the Dutch left-back certainly didn’t have a poor game.
    Central midfield
    This game was all about the midfield, and the contrast between the two systems. Holland were very structured – Nigel de Jong was retained alongside Mark van Bommel, while Wesley Sneijder stayed high up the pitch, more like a second striker than an attacking midfielder. Holland were effectively outnumbered 3 v 2 in the middle, but this wasn’t necessarily a problem if they sat deep, kept their positions, and forced Germany wide.
    Holland’s trouble inevitably started from the movement of the fabulous Mesut Ozil, who drifted towards the right of the pitch in the first half, combining with Muller. As the deepest-lying Dutch midfielder, de Jong generally followed him – which left Mark van Bommel covering a large space of the pitch in front of the Dutch defence.
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    Third runner
    Van Bommel then had to pick up the second runner – either Sami Khedira or Bastian Schweinsteiger. But the great value of Germany’s fluidity and bravery in midfield was demonstrated by the fact that the other player didn’t merely stay deep and pick up Sneijder. Germany left him to the centre-backs, generally keeping one full-back in a defensive position to maintain three defenders at the back if the ball was lost. That meant they had a third midfield runner.
    The first goal highlighted this brilliantly. De Jong started off marking Ozil in a central zone, but ends up being dragged to a left-back position. Van Bommel tracks Khedira, who also moves towards that side of the pitch. Therefore, the entire central midfield zone has been opened up for Schweinsteiger – with Sneijder miles away. Schweinsteiger gets the ball, and slipsin Gomez, who spun and finished excellently. This was an isolated incident, but it had been coming.
    For the second goal, something similar happened. De Jong moved with Ozil towards the left-back position and van Bommel had erroneously been tracking Khedira when Schweinsteiger was higher up the pitch. Schweinsteiger was then free to receive Ozil’s pass, and played in Gomez again. In fact, Schweinsteiger only passed to Gomez twice in the first half, and both were assists.
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    Holland changes
    Holland had to adjust, and van Marwijk brought on Rafael van der Vaart for van Bommel, which helped Holland connect the midfield and attack. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar replaced Afellay, with the Schalke striker playing upfront as van Persie moved to the flank, switching around with Robben.
    Much in the opening game, the change didn’t initially seem to give Holland much extra threat. Their good play in the first half came when van Persie and Robben combined on the right, or when van Persie’s movement (often in behind Mats Hummels, maybe hoping Hummels would be drawn to Sneijder) allowed him a chance after a ball from the centre of the pitch. These combinations were no longer evident, and for the first part of the second half, Germany were comfortable.
    Dutch switch
    But then, van Marwijk switched van Persie and Sneijder. The former was now a number ten, the latter moving inside from the left. Now, there were some decent moments – although there was still little cohesion from the Dutch front four, and every bit of good play was down to individual moments. Sneijder had a powerful effort blocked by Boateng after Robben beat his man for the first time. Then Sneijder cut inside from the left and shot just wide of the far post. Van Persie, meanwhile, created a goal out of nothing by coming deep to get the ball and firing in from outside of the box. Holland were back in the game, but through individuals rather than the structure of the side.
    Germany didn’t defend well in the second half. Compared to at the World Cup two years ago, their shape wasn’t impressive – the second bank of four was slow to form and Holland found space out wide. It was surprising Löw didn’t use his substitutes earlier, to give extra energy to the side, and perhaps some more defensive protection.
    But Holland didn’t do enough to merit a point. Their pressing was terrible – the front four or five would close down high up the pitch, then the defence and de Jong would stay on the edge of their own box. Germany played through the first ‘line’ easily, then held the ball, and held on for the win.
    Conclusion
    This was the perfect demonstration of how a flexible midfield duo can outwit the opposition. Germany were brave, and risked being caught on the break by leaving Sneijder free between the lines, but the alternate forward runs from Schweinsteiger and Khedira confused van Bommel, while de Jong was distracted by Ozil’s usual selfless off-the-ball movement to the flanks.
    In more general terms, this was all about cohesion. Germany did everything together – they pressed as a unit, defended as a unit, and broke through with integrated movement and clever passing. Holland relied on individuals, while the defensive shape of the side was poor – quite damning, considering van Marwijk went for the defensive option of two holding midfielders. Germany aren’t mathematically through, Holland aren’t mathematically eliminated, and this was only a one-goal win, but the difference in quality was huge.
     
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  8. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lol...I have a Lahm 2008 and Mueller 2010 away for Germany. I wear those proudly....

    But my next kit will be;

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  9. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    like a Trololololoooo..
     
  10. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Repost, noob!!! ;) :D
     
  12. Equilibrium

    Equilibrium Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    None of your busines
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hummels MOTM? He's the reason they scored, but he still had a good game imo. Motm is between Gomez and Schweini, combination.
     
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  13. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


    Gomez and Kaymer with some sick skillz. O_O
     
  14. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Quick questions

    I know germany has always gone to major tournament with key players injured who were the players injured in the last few tournaments
     
  15. Coon

    Coon Member

    Jan 19, 2003
    Texas, USA
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    You serious?!

    His first goal was incredible in every way. Not only the turn, but before his shot he completely opened his body which made it look like he was placing it in the right corner, but in the last second he chose to hit it to the left corner. That's why the keeper went the wrong way and had no chance. That was the best possible finish... incredible stuff. You have no clue about football do you?
     
  16. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Oezil's performance and new role understated. His movement is what dragged van Bommel and De Jong away for Schweinsteiger to drift into space. Instead of relying on him to be our primary playmaker there is far more emphasis on the two CM's coming forward with Oezil playing either a decoy or a support striker now, quite different than we lined up in South Africa.
     
  17. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    During the 2010 we were missing Ballack, Traesch, Gebhart , Westermann. I believe during this Euro and 2008 Loew counted on having a full selection. I think we also had a full squad for 2006.
     
  18. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Even more incredible is that Gomez only had possession for 20 seconds in the entire match, and scored twice.
     
  19. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  20. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    In 2008 i think they missed Bernd Schneider, 2004 Maybe Deisler, 2002 Scholl, Novotny, Deisler. 2006 Did we miss Metzelder?

    I have seen someone post something about this before just not sure
     
  21. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Bernd Schneider in 2008 was a huge miss, seeing as he was possibly the only capable creative midfielder and had to be replaced by the incredible attacking prodigy Clemens Fritz for a couple of matches.

    Deisler would have played in 2006, but missed his second consecutive World Cup. Metzelder was a starter in that tournament though and performed rather well.
     
  22. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah, I forgot about Schneider in 2008.
    Metzelder played in 2006 but I think he missed 2004.
    Deisler missed all the tournaments except the 2000 Euro's and 2005 Confed Cup.
    Scholl missed 2002.
     
  23. "Eisenfuß" Eilts

    Jul 1, 2005
    In the sun ;)
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Metzelder played all German matches (except the group game vs. Ecuador) in 2006, but Deisler missed after 2002 a second WC. :(
     
  24. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lahm was questionable for 2006 but could fortunately play with a plaster for his arm..
     
  25. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

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